On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:33:03 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:
>A seriously stronger wall between Spain & Morocco doesn't appear to
>deter crossings very much. I fear that your solution is way too naive.
> It wouldn't deter even toe desperate individual let alone the
>organized smuggler.
That is just the fence we also need to go after a prosecute employers
that hire illegals... and if you say that employers can't check to see
if SS and other forms of ID are false that is just an excuse. There
are many ways including websites that will verify employees work
permits and ID's.
I own a small engineering consulting firm (less then 70 employees) and
I my single HR manager not only is able to verify SS numbers but also
perform background checks including H1B visa checks and it really
hasn't cost me more in operation costs.
The problem is that our borders need to be secured and we need to make
it difficult for illegals to obtain work in the US. RULE OF LAW! That
is what this country is based on and I support legal immigration 100%
>
>
>Antimulticulture wrote:
>
>> Highway sound barriers as border fences?
>> Construction would be economically, physically feasible, say experts
>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46729
>> October 10, 2005
>> By Jon Dougherty
>>
>> As discussion of erecting a security fence along U.S. borders with Mexico
>> and Canada heats up, some analysts say it's possible Washington could
>> economically erect thousands of miles of barrier to keep out illegal aliens,
>> smugglers and terrorists, for about half of what the Pentagon is spending a
>> month to fight the war on terror.
>>
>> The idea, they say, is to erect a structure similar to barrier walls built
>> along highways to reduce sound. They are sturdy, tall, not easily scaled
>> and, most attractively, affordable.
>>
>> Highway sound barrier at intersection of I-10 and I-12 in Baton Rouge, La.
>> (courtesy soundfighter.com)
>>
>> Plus, analysts say, a wall would dramatically reduce outside threats.
>>
>> The Federal Highway Administration says most highway sound barriers are
>> constructed of concrete or masonry block, range from 3-5 meters [9-16 feet]
>> in height, and cost between $175 and $200 a square meter.
>>
>> According to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation
>> Officials, there are "more than 2,630 linear miles of sound barriers" along
>> U.S. highways, constructed at a cost of some $1.4 billion.
>>
>> By comparison, the Pentagon is spending about $3.9 billion a month in Iraq
>> and Afghanistan, not counting rebuilding costs, the Associated Press has
>> reported.
>>
>> One group, WeNeedAFence.com, is advocating the construction of a
>> "state-of-the-art fence" along the entire U.S.-Mexico border, a plan it says
>> would dramatically reduce illegal immigration.
>>
>> The group points to the fact that similar security fences in Israel have
>> reduced terrorist attacks there by as much as 95 percent in some regions.
>>
>> Lee Plank, executive vice president and chief operating officer of Diamond
>> Manufacturing Company in Wyoming, Pa., says his company has not been
>> approached about border security fences, but, he said, they would be a good
>> idea.
>>
>> "I think they'd have to be about 10 feet high," he told WND, and would cost
>> "about $636,000 a mile" to build. That's about $1.27 billion for 2,000 miles
>> of border fence, similar to the government's figures.
>>
>> Plank, who says his company specializes in sound-absorbing corrugated metal
>> walls, said a border security fence "would save a lot on manpower."
>>
>> "It would be interesting to see them on the borders," he added.
>>
>> Mike Flick of Oldcastle Precast Group, a nationwide leader in both highway
>> and security fencing, told WND the idea of border fencing is certainly
>> doable, but the design, depth and other particulars would need to be worked
>> out.
>>
>> Some have criticized the idea of a border fence.
>>
>> "The United States needs a better immigration policy, not a fence along the
>> border with Mexico that won't do anything to protect us anyway," says an
>> editorial in the Modesto Bee. "The proposed fence is simply a sign of
>> frustration with illegal immigration. Our politicians need to come up with
>> workable solutions to the problems of illegal immigration and national
>> security."
>>
>> [Ed. That would mean biting the bullet on multiculturalism...]
>>
>> WeNeedAFence.com officials say a border fence makes sense in this day and
>> age.
>>
>> "The problem is not merely the number of illegal immigrants. In addition to
>> the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from Central and South
>> America, there are several hundreds, perhaps thousands, of illegal aliens
>> from countries that sponsor terrorism or harbor terrorists entering the
>> United States each year across our border with Mexico. Thus, it is a
>> national security issue as well as an immigration issue," the group says on
>> its website.
>>
>> Officials at the Department of Homeland Security also believe in erecting
>> new fences or strengthening existing ones as a way to bolster security. Last
>> month DHS quietly implemented a pair of measures aimed to bring regions of
>> the southwestern border under control
>>
>> One measure "makes it easier for officials to remove non-Mexican illegal
>> immigrants, popularly called 'other than Mexicans' or OTMs," U.S. News &
>> World Report said, "while another adds yet one more level of fortification
>> to a metal wall stretching along parts of the border."
>>
>> "They clearly did this when no one was looking," complained Tim Edgar, an
>> immigration specialist with the American Civil Liberties Union. "And I'm
>> worried DHS is trying to set new norms for how we treat immigrants in the
>> United States."
>>
>> [Ed. It is only a "new" way if you've recently beamed in from the planet
>> Glorb for your very first visit to earth...I mean really, who is this
>> subversive arseclown? Does he have a fence/gate/security around his property
>> or does he let people come and go as they please??]
>>
>> Border Patrol agents have praised fences as a means to deter border-jumping.
>> One San Diego-area agent, speaking on anonymity, told WND fences constructed
>> there have "dramatically" reduced the incidents of illegal immigration,
>> though, the agent conceded, many immigrants have merely moved inland, east
>> of the area where the San Diego fence line ended, to sneak into the country.
>>
>> --
>> Jim
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
>> Union Against Multiculty
>>
>> "Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
>>
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