On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:36:15 GMT, Deadrat wrote:
> Don Gabacho wrote in
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>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:15:10 GMT, Deadrat wrote:
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>>> Don Gabacho wrote in
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>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:07:57 -0500, johnny@. wrote:
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>>>>> Deadrat wrote:
>>>>>> "johnny@." wrote in
>>>>>> news:T4_Ul.5233$Xl4.1130@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
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>>>>>>> Deadrat wrote:
>>>>>>>> "krp" wrote in
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>>>> He had even stated "We the People of the U.S." to be the
>>>> original, "long dead," signers of the U.S. Constitution "long dead".
>>>
>>> "We the people ... do ordain and establish." Present tense. The
>>> framers were talking about themselves and their contemporaries. We
>>> the people today have inherited the Constitution; we didn't establish
>>> it.
>>
>> The issue was never who "established" it rather than the U.S.
>> Constitution being predicated on the stated "We the People of the
>> U.S." as citizens.
>>
>> Weasel that you are, you shifted to "established" even as if some
>> bigwigs just happened to get together to invent the U.S. Constitution
>> and, once signed by them, "establish" the U.S. Government.
>
> That's exactly what they did. They got together, proposed a government,
> and asked the states to ratify it. The preamble says exactly that and no
> more -- the framers and their endorsers established the Constitution.
>>
>> The framers were the delegates assigned by the states' assemblies
>> (congresses of "We the People") to attend the Continental Convention
>> to state the very need and reason for being of the U.S. Constitution
>> (the Preamble) and then formulate how best to achieve and institute
>> that stated objective for ratification.
>>
>> To create a new nation by and for "We the People of the U.S.."
>
> And it did. But even if you decide that "We the People" in the preamble
> means only the framers, the endorsers, and their progeny,...
Liar. I had stated that the same Constitution of "We the People of the
U.S." allowed for immigrants to become one of "We the People of the U.S."
("citizens")---and their progeny---via the observance of the immigration
laws enacted by Congress and certainly not by the policies of the Mexican
Government or its sycophants stateside.
> that view has
> no force of law. Sorry, but the protections of the Constitution apply to
> everyone within its jurisdiction. So says the Supreme Court.
Not to invaders or colonizers.
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