On 13 Apr 2004 08:39:11 -0700, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
>Oliver Costich wrote in message news:...
>> On 9 Apr 2004 21:19:42 -0700, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
>>
>> >"Ed Gein" wrote in message news:...
>> >> "zerge" wrote...
>> >> > I have to repeat this so many times I'm thinking about setting up a
>> >> > website and just posting the link :/
>> >> >
>> >> > 1.- Mexico does not "export" unemployed. Mexicans, both unemployed AND
>> >> > currently employed, voluntarily migrate to the US to get low skill
>> >> > jobs, which pay better in the US than in Mexico. American employers
>> >> > voluntarily hire them.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong, Mexico EXPORTS its unemployed. I'm not saying the U.S. doesn't
>> >> benefit from cheap Mexican labor, but the fact is that the Mexican
>> >> government (PRI) has always depended on this export of labor as a
>> >> "safety valve" because it has mismanaged the economy so bad that it
>> >> simply cannot create sufficient jobs for the existing labor force,
>> >> much less all the new workers entering the labor market due to the
>> >> incredible population increase. Mexico simply cannot have 100 million
>> >> Mexicans all selling gum on the sidewalk and washing car windows at
>> >> traffic lights. Mexico has already been bordering on armed insurrection
>> >> for quite some time, and if the unemployed Mexicans weren't continously
>> >> exported the level of unemployment and discontent would rise to the
>> >> point where it would break out in violence.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, this is just my OPINION, as always. The only way I can see
>> >> to prove my theory is to seal the U.S. border and watch what happens.
>> >> I strongly suspect I am right, of course. To be perfectly honest, the
>> >> U.S. government realizes this too and is why despite all the appearances
>> >> of trying to fight illegal immigration from Mexico, the actual, unwritten
>> >> policy has always been to allow sufficient Mexican immigration to
>> >> relieve the pressure on Mexico's battered economy and prevent an armed
>> >> revolt. A revolution next door is not in the U.S.'s best interests,
>> >> and the number of war refugees would dwarf normal illegal immigration.
>> >>
>> >> I've come across the term "safety valve" so many times in reference to
>> >> illegal Mexican immigration that I can safely state that I am not the
>> >> only person who views the situation this way. I just googled on
>> >> [+mexico +"illegal immigration" +"safety valve"] and got 586 hits.
>> >> And this is the first time I've searched the web, all the references
>> >> to "safety valve" I've come across previously were all out of books
>> >> and newspaper articles. The situation is usually compared to a
>> >> pressure cooker, where if the pressure (in this case unemployed
>> >> Mexicans) isn't relieved, the whole thing literally explodes and
>> >> makes a big ol' mess.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Mexicans would not revolt if they could not migrate. I'm pretty
>> >certain of that. I am Mexican, I live surrounded by Mexicans, and due
>> >to the nature of my work, I am in contact with all the social strata
>> >of Mexicans. I know people who have gone to the US to work. I just
>> >don't picture those people taking AK47s and RPGs and revolting against
>> >the government. I just don't. And even IF, IF, IF, they wanted to do
>> >so, there just aren't the means. There ARE no guns around, and the
>> >army would stamp out any revolt quite quick. Actually, they would
>> >probably just stamp out any leader who would emerge. But who, in
>> >his/her sane mind would try to start an ARMED revolt against a
>> >government in this day and age?
>> >What would urban Mexicans do if they could not migrate to the US?
>> >Well, get a job in Mexico, of course. You simply do not believe there
>> >are plenty of jobs available in Mexico, but they are. Not all great
>> >paying jobs, but jobs nonetheless. Do this. Visit
>> >http://www.chambanet.gob.mx/
>>
>> Great for those with internet access and who are literate. That's not
>> the group emigrating to the US. Those people would have no job or one
>> that didn't supply even minimal sustence. Mexico simply doesn't have
>> the jobs to employ all those people and they're not creating any
>> quality jobs.
>>
>
>Chambanet listing are ALSO available through an 800 number, in printed
>form, and in N amount of employment offices across the country.
>The JOBS are available. Granted, not all are great paying. And THAT is
>the main problem. But that is a different problem.
You still have to be literate to access them, and there's not that
many jobs relative to the problem.
>And yes, many people emigrating are illiterate peasants.
I'd guess most or even nearly all.
>
>
>>
>> >That is the government's job placing service. There are currently
>> >6,663 job openings. There are DOZENS of public and private sites like
>> >that, and the printed newspapers have huge job classified sections.
>> >There are a lot of people looking for work, yes, but there are also a
>> >lot of jobs out there; it is a very dynamic market. Go Google that.
>> > What would the rural Mexicans do if they could not migrate to the US?
>> >Well go back to working the fields, of course. Not a very profitable
>> >activity to be sure, but hey, it's a living.
>>
>> Dozens of sites? Ok let's say 3 dozen, each with 7,000 jobs. Even
>> assuming no duplicate listings, which is probably a really bad
>> assumption, that's about 250,000 jobs. Not remotely enough.
>>
>
>That's only a SAMPLE of what is available. Then you have newspaper
>classifieds, job placing services, both private and state managed, job
>fairs, and simply "help wanted" ads.
>
>
>> Or maybe not a living. Isn't that why they leave?
>
>Yes. That is my POINT. Salaries are better in the US. So it is not a
>matter of not being enough jobs in Mexico, but that the US, being a
>more produtive country, pays more for labor hour.
>
>>
>> >If Mexican politicians talk about a "safety valve", clearly they are
>> >doing it with the intention of scaring American politicians. It seems
>> >to work.
>> >And if by "bordering on armed insurrection for some time" you mean the
>> >zapatistas and EPR, that is like saying that the US is bordering on
>> >armed insurrection because of Montana militia. They are fringe groups,
>> >with no popular support whatsoever.
>> >The only thing us Mexicans want to do is work and make a living,
>> >decent if possible. If we are not allowed to work in the US, hey, too
>> >bad, we'll miss the high wages, but we'll get to work here in Mexico
>> >just the same. It is just not in us to take up arms and duke it out.
>> >We did that back in 1910, and we had a revolution that lasted more
>> >than 10 years and cost us 1 million dead. We ain't repeating THAT
>> >stupidity again.
>>
>> Why would a historical stupidity keep it from happening again? History
>> repeats itself.
>
>You may have heard the phrase "countries who do not know their history
>are condemned to repeat it." We Mexicans KNOW our history, believe me.
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