"Lion in Winter" wrote in message
news:1386388.1082847004@britishexpats.com...
> Relax. All 6 billion don't actually
> want to live here, amazing as it may seem. As to those who come looking
> for work, food for their children and a decent house, actually yes, I do
> welcome them into my home, wherever that may be.
What a big heart you have. They are welcome as long they don't move into
your neighborhood.
Are you the one standing down at the hospital shelling out $100 bills to all
of the illegals who are demanding immediate healthcare yet have absolutely
no intention of paying for it? Are you the one spending your free time
educating every child of an illegal alien parent who managed to escape the
notice of the immigration authorities? How many are you personally bringing
into your home and feeding and clothing?
You're not? That means that other are doing it for you. What a Big Heart
you have. Just show up in the newsgroups and announce to everyone how big
your heart is and you don't have to lift a finger any higher than what it
takes to type the message.
Your heart is so big and caring that you will jam a gun into the head of
every one of your neighbors so that they are forced by the police powers of
the State to assuage your guilt feelings and so you can sleep better at
night knowing that "You Care" yet others are carrying the load, often
against their will. What a big heart you have. You hate your neighbor by
robbing him to pay the person who has his own country he should be
reforming. I can't vote in other countries, but the illegal alien can.
Instead of working within their own political structure, it is so much
easier to exploit your Big Heart and dupe you into making sure politicians
here do what the illegal couldn't get their own to do.
> It's too easy to tell
> people to stay put and work for change when they are struggling to feed
> themselves and protect their children and old people from famine and
> disease.
What is this? Are you saying that the Ends Justify the Means? No level of
criminality is unacceptable as long as the ends of "protecting their
children" (at the expense of the host country they are leeching) is met?
How about just breaking into houses and stealing everything in sight? How
about murder for hire? Hey, its for the children! Apparently forging
documents, stealing tax dollars, operating motorvehicles without a license
or insurance and a host of other crimes are acceptable in your sight. You
have morally disqualified yourself from judging against any wrong as long as
the ends is subjectively noble.
> Do you have children? How far would you go to protect them?
By breaking a host of laws? So would you become a drug dealer to "protect
your children"?
> Do you elderly parents to support? Suppose you couldn't? How would
> that feel?
I get it, if it was far more important to piss away the family fortune on
those absolutely necessary Yosemite Sam mud flaps for the truck that it was
to put away money on the side, or maybe a person didn't take advantage of
that free education the first twelve plus years of their life, or perhaps
sloth and laziness just kept getting into the way. Then, it is perfectly
acceptable to go about breaking whatever laws, and stealing tax dollars
because though the ends of taking care of elderly parents (who didn't see
fit to prepare for their senior years either), justifies the means. Just go
soak your neighbors to the north to take care of your felt needs in the
manner that you feel is acceptable. (Isn't it interesting that civilization
managed to get through thousands of years of existance without modern
medicine and 4 star accomodations?)
> The U.S. government provides nobody with a good standard of
> living free.
"good" is a subjective term. Our welfare deadbeats in this country have
larger living areas and more meat in their diet than your average western
European. No one in need of emergency medical care is turned away despite
having no intention of paying for services rendered. The lights, water,
food, telephone, entertainment, police, medical and education systems ares
ready 24/7/365. I would think that would be "good".
> The wealth of the most dominant country in the world,
> which owns that wealth in part through the exploitation of other
> countries and their populations and resources(read countries with
> petroleum and other mineral resources, plus the use of dirt cheap labour
> in Mexico, Guatemala, China, Phillippines, etc. etc.) provides people
> with the opportunity to work and actually get a decent wage for that
> work.
And here comes the well anticipated "I Hate America" dreck typical of the
left.
Yeah, those multi-billionaire Saudi Sheiks and Princes are sure under alot
of exploitation by the West. And if the West wasn't in the market for
plastic bead bracelets and Nike running shoes, those in Malaysia and Taiwan
would be partying it up in royal style. Us damned Americans though ruined
their high life and playboy lifestyles ankle deep in dung and mud by
bringing them into the modern day with city jobs and a future. Life was so
good in China, that just for kicks and their naturally good humored selves
did they agree to sweat fourteen hour days for what you would spend for a
Big Mac and a Coke. They all left those high paying jobs controlling the
markets and spreading the way for a glorious future so that they could bust
their collective asses painting eyeballs on a Barbie doll. We should be
ashamed. We shouldn't be "exploiting"" them. We should take all of our
investment capital, all of our buying power and leave them alone and let
them return to the halcyon days of mirth looking forward to living to a ripe
old age of forty and dying in their grass hut estate.
> I, personally, begrudge nobody that opportunity. These people
> are not "criminals" in the sense that they demonstrate anti-social
> behaviour.
Well we are a nation of laws not a nation based on mushy feelings. Illegal
immigrants, by definition of being illegal are anti-social. If you can't
accept that, then maybe it is their total disregard for our society's
culture that would plant them firmly in the camp of "anti-social". In
your perverted definitions, I guess booing the US soccer team and shouting
"Osama, Osama" at Mexico vs US games here in the US isn't anti-social.
Maybe their demands that we cater to their language and culture, rather than
the other way around isn't a sign of being "anti-social". Maybe the fact
they leech off the ~social~ system (ie education, medicine, law enforcement,
entitlement programs) with no intention of compensating their hosts isn't a
sign of being "anti-social". Maybe screaming for the repatriation of
California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas isn't a sign of being anti-social.
> They break the law of the U.S., yes, because there is no
> other way for them to get in...
That is pure bullshit. Every country has its own laws and its own
self-interest at stake in their immigration programs. Just because we
aren't suicidal enough for your tastes and let every Antonio, José and
Hector stream across our borders totally unimpeded, it takes a peculiarly
perverted sense of reasoning to conclude that there is "no other way for
them to get in". You are begging the question. Why should we let them in?
Wasn't building the maquiladoros good enough? Isn't exporting
manufacturing jobs deep inside the country good enough? Isn't ginving them
favorable status in the production of food to be imported into the US good
enough? Apparently not, giving them free and unrestricted access to every
institution in this country seems to be the only thing acceptable to you.
So why do you hate this country so much that you have no sense of pride or
responsibility in maintaining it?
> but laws are made by people and are not
> always right or even practical.
Who are you to judge? Laws are made by our elected representatives.
Apparenty you are obviously smarter, purer in heart than everyone else in
this world. Also, it seems you don't need facts, any grip on reality, or
any care in your neighbor - you consider yourself omniscient and able to
question all of society. Go find yourself a totalitarian state where you
will feel more comfortable. It should be easy to find, just look for a
country where as many people are fleeing it are doing so.
> They are certainly not politically
> neutral, and if the history of Europe in the 20th century should have
> taught us anything, it's that blind adherence to the law is not
> necessarily a good thing.
OK, we got your number. You are an advocate of lawlessness. Where each
person does what is right in his own eyes.
We all know how long those systems last.
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