> "Grail" wrote in message
> news:...
> > Let us based our arguments on Facts. As published in State
> > Department
> > Bulletin :
> > http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi_bulletinarchives_august2004.html
> >
> > Total number of DV winner from Indonesia is 258. Indonesia has a
> > population
> > close to 220 million people. This does not show any great influx of
> > Mainland Chinese paying for Indonesian paperwork!! In fact the
> > figures show
> > that not that many Indonesians apply for the DV.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised that the majority of those are Chinese
> ethnically. (Do you notice that the majority of Mayasians here are
> Chinese who can speak Chinese fluently. I mean. it just shows who got
> connections.) Amanda is from Southwest Asia originally and Amanda
> knows the Chinese control of the area.
>
> >
> > I suspect that Amanda sees a lot of Chinese and Indians in the US
> > with
> > Greencards.
> Amanda do not ask people what their status is the way Indians always
> ask Amanda. Amanda gives people their privacy.
>
> >Most of these folks got their greencards from their work visa
> >and are usually relatively highly qualified.
>
> I know. Having been an F-1 student, and on H-1 before, I know that
> there are a lot of Indians who are professionals and got their GC that
> way.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "Amanda" wrote in message
> > news:57d43f8b.0409191401.53f97bb4@posting.google.com...
> > > "Yuri G." wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:16:18 +0000, crg14624 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> "Jozef" wrote in
> > > > >> message
> > > > >> news:...
> > > > >> I heard that there have been fraud in DV. For example, a lot
> > > > >> of
> > Chinese
> > > > >> are obtaining Indonesian citizenship, of course with
> > > > >> Indonesian names
> > > > >> (Indonesia is the most corrupt country and I can imagine that
> > > > >> they
> > can
> > > > >> get those pepr work) and then have a control on DV lottery.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Look who form Fiji are coming here: Indians. My sister,
> > > > >> through her
> > > > >> Fijian friend, learned that there is a Fijian Indian group
> > > > >> which does
> > > > >> business on DV lottery. Most of those Indians are just as
> > > > >> Indians as
> > > > >> Indians from India. Same with Chinese coming with Indonesian
> > > > >> citizenship.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So I wish that they would tackle these frauds. Of course, I
> > > > >> won't be
> > > > >> surprised if someone here say that I am exaggearting.
> > > > Tackling the fraud by abolishing the lottery altogether is a bit
> > > > extreme, isn't it? Also, if Chinese applies for DV from
> > > > Indonesia, they
> > are
> > > > also subject to cap on China if they were borne there,
> > >
> > > How do you check where these Chinese were born? By looking at
> > > the
> > > Birth Ceritifcate they provid?
> > >
> > > In Burma, a particular group of Chinese from China (known as
> > > "Wa";
> > > they took over the business after Kun Sa, the old emperor of
> > > *Golden
> > > Triangle* got out of that business and retired in Rangoon under
> > > the
> > > militray dictaorship protection), with the help of military
> > > government
> > > who depemds on arms supply from Chinsa, infiltrated the nearest
> > > big
> > > city from the Chinese Border, taking over Hotel business,
> > > luandering
> > > their drug money. The next thing you knew, they are holding
> > > Burmese
> > > citizenship card while they still can't speak Burmese. All this
> > > started in 1990s.
> > >
> > > All southeast Asian countries are very vulnerable to the Chinese
> > > control which you obviously can't grasp ... yet.
> > >
> > >
> > > > and therefore cannot apply.
> >
> > > > So where is the fraud?
> > > It went passed your head.
> > >
> > > > Unless, of course, they forged their birth
> > > > certificate, but I hope US consulates can distinguish forged
> > documents...
> > >
> > > Who said these Chinese-turned-Indonesians use forged documents? I
> > > didn't.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is widespread fraud in the program. It's also silly to
> > > > > have an
> > > > > immigrant lottery when family members of citizens and
> > > > > residents have
> > to
> > > > > wait so long.
> > > > What is the connection between the waiting time for family
> > > > members and
> > > > DV lottery?
> > > Why does there need to be a connection time?
> > >
> > > > Number of Green Cards given through the lottery is a tiny
> > > > fraction of the total number of GC given any year.
> > > So?
> > >
> > > > With that kind of
> > > > mentality you could argue against family category GC since many
> > marriages
> > > > are fictitious and made for the purpose of getting the Green
> > > > Card and
> > > > propose to abolish family based immigration too based on "wide
> > > > spread
> > > > fraud"
> > >
> > > Family based immigration is a lot more than just *marriage-based*
> > > immigration.
> > >
> > > > Don't try to make everybody suffer for those who try to abuse
> > > > the system.
> > > You mean "don't try to make a *few* people suffer for those whoe
> > > try
> > > to abuse the system!
> > >
> > > What about this? Instead of providing another opportunity for
> > > fraud
> > > (via DV), tackel fraud in marraige-based immigration.
> > >
> > >
> > > > DV lottery gives everybody a chance of legitimate immigration to
> > > > US -
> > > > don't blame the lottery for the waiting times - waiting time in
> > > > other
> > > > categories is totally unrelated to DV lottery.
> > >
> > > DV lottery gives dominant groups to abuse the system. AGain, why
> > > are
> > > you hung up on waiting time?
Amanda, my dear, the pharmaceutical companies have many new-generation
drugs that could help. Don't give up hope now...
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