On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:11:58 -0500, Oliver Costich
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:03:10 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:42:49 -0500, Oliver Costich
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:56:21 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:42:36 -0500, Oliver Costich
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:59:43 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 13 Nov 2004 12:11:43 -0800, nova427427@yahoo.com (Madeira) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Illegals cost us $10 billion (yes, BILLION) dollars a year, just in
>>>>>>>Federal money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There's no reason for this to be the way it is. Eliminate social
>>>>>>problems and this cost will disappear overnight.
>>>>>
>>>>>What social problems did you have in mind? How would you eliminate
>>>>>them?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Whoops! I meant social programs.
>>>
>>>I sympathize, but it's not gonna happen (get rid of social programs).
>>>
>>>Beyond that, the issue of illegals would still be here unless you also
>>>enforce laws against employing them.
>>>
>>
>>Illegals wouldn't be a problem if they weren't consuming "free" social
>>services. If they had to pay for all the services they get in the US,
>>while getting 5 bucks an hour, they wouldn't find it so attractive to
>>immigrate. At the end of the end, economics determines the outcome.
>
>Only in a narrow sense. The people who benefit from cheap labor are
>the people who make campaign contributions. The rest of us continue to
>pay to subsidize this.
>
The taxpayers subsidize this because of "free" social programs.
Eliminate the "free" social programs and taxpayers no longer subsidize
anything.
>
>I have suggested in the past that if employers of illegals had to pay
>all their social costs, especially health care and education, they
>would hire Americans instead.
>
It's quite believable, yes. But the only way to force the
employers/employees to bear the burden is to end "free" services that
they may take advantage of.
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