One other thing I would like to add. Maybe I didn't lose it through my
own fault. Perhaps these documents could have been stolen.
Jarrun79 wrote:
> Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I lost
my
> papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers.
> You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will
> be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays
for
> one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the
> investigation.
> Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom
I'm
> trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you are
> saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I won't
> have to go?
> I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000
who
> was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I
was
> searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily
bring
> them with you.
> Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1 year
> or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you.
> What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost
> documents that way?
> Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE I
> should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY
> DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not.
> Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that
> mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you
> receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that
mean
> I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No.
> Ritze wrote:
> > "Jarrun79" wrote in message
> > news:1102604180.066870.26590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while
searching
> > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card.
I
> was
> > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
> 2004.
> > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent
an
> > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
> official
> > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
> > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
> > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot
find
> > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
> can't
> > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or
get
> > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
> visit
> > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
> > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can
> do
> > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
> > > So I propose this:
> > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have
been
> > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
> class-action
> > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
> suit
> > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
> result.
> > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the
> US to
> > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
> > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
> important
> > > and basic paperwork.
> > >
> >
> > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS
> > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay
> that
> > person for 2 days.
> >
> > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration
> people
> > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity
does
> not
> > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are
> either. It
> > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how
> involve
> > and tedious investigating your case could be.
> >
> > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship
> documents.
> > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until
you
> are
> > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those
you
> are
> > trying to convince.
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