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Subject: Re: DV-Lottery forms: 'Do you want the SSA to assign you an SSN?' What should I answer? Posted on: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:51:47 +0000


> Hello!
> At the end of Form DS-230, there's a question which asks 'Do you want
> the Social Security Administration to assign you an SSN?', and then,
> the next question also says 'I Authorize disclosure of information
> from this form to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the
> Social Security Administration (SSA), such other U.S. Government
> agencies as may be required for the purpose of assigning me an SSN and
> issuing me a Social Security card, and I authorize the SSA to share my
> SSN with the INS' Then I'm asked to check either YES or NO, and below
> this, finally it says 'The applicant's response does not limit or
> restrict the Government's ability to obtain his or her SSN, or other
> information on this form, for enforcement or orther purposes as
> authorized by law'.
>
> So, what do you recommend? Should I answer YES to both questions? If
> so, would I be forced to pay any fee to obtain the SSN?
>
> Thank you very much, byeee

First as others have said the process of being assigned an SSN and
issued a card doesn't cost anything.

The Enumeration At Entry (EAE) process isn't 100% gauranteed to work,
but it might save you a trip into an SSA office to apply once you
arrive. If you do check off on the DS-230 don't go running into an SSA
office to apply again as soon as you get here. Allow time for the
process to work.

RM 00202.315 Enumeration At Entry
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202315

Answer "Yes" to Questions 33a. and 33b.on Form DS-230

You will then need to allow at least 3 weeks to see if the Enumeration
At Entry process works. If you don't receive your SSN card within 3
weeks or at least by time you receive your I-551 card if you wait a
little longer, it's time to head on down to your friendly neighborhood
SSA office.

Find office:

http://www.ssa.gov/locator

If you have been assigned an SSN the office can provide you with the
number. However, it is has been over 14 days from the day the SSN was
assigned and you haven't received the card you will probably need to
apply for a replacement card.

Take proof of age, identity and work authorized alien status. Proof of
age is not needed for a replacement card.

Birth certificate, passport and I-551 card or MRIV with temporary I-551
language should be enough to take into the SSA office.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203410
RM 00203.410 Evidence of Alien Status for an SSN Card for an Alien
Lawfully Admitted for Permanent Residence

B. KINDS OF EVIDENCE ESTABLISHING LAPR STATUS

-- I-551, Permanent Resident Card
-- Machine Readable Immigrant Visa with Temporary I-551 Language

Note: The MRIV shows the alien's identification number ("A" number) as
the "Registration Number" in the upper right-hand corner of the
MRIV.

Treat a Machine Readable Immigrant Visa (MRIV) with Temporary I-551
Language in an unexpired foreign passport the same as a valid Temporary
I-551 stamp, valid for one year from the date of endorsement by the
admission stamp.

For example, if the admission stamp shows a date of entry into the U.S.
as January 4, 2004, the expiration of the temporary I-551 status will be
January 3, 2005. DO NOT use the expiration date on the MRIV itself to
determine when the temporary I-551 status expires. The expiration date
on the MRIV only shows how long the MRIV is valid not how long the
alien's temporary I-551 status is valid.

If you apply in the SSA office for an original SSN or replacement card
the SSA office will try to verify your status through the SAVE system
while your are in the office. If they can't, they will send a form G-845
to immigration for manual verification. This could delay the assigning
of an SSN and/or issuing a card for weeks and some times months.

If the SSA office does send the G-845, I suggest that you go back to the
SSA office no more than once a week with your documents to (1) ask them
to
check SAVE again (2) ask if they sent a G-845 (3) if yes, did it come
back (4) after 30 days ask if they have followed up on the G-845 by
calling or sending another mark "second request."
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203720
RM 00203.720 Verifying Immigration Documents
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203735
RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE
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After having waited at least 30 days and your local SSA office doesn't
seem too concerned about following uo on the G-845 you can try
contacting the SSA Regional Office (RO) responsible for your state:

http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/natlpocontacts.html

Refer them to this:

RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS

B. PROCEDURE ? HOW TO REQUEST MANUAL VERIFICATION

STEP 6

DHS should respond to SSA within 15 federal work days after receiving
the Form G-845. If DHS does not respond within 15 federal work days
from
the receipt of the G-845 from SSA, follow-up with the DHS, USCIS
Immigration Status office. (Allow 15 days plus five additional
federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and
returned from DHS.

Follow local practice to follow-up with DHS. Some SSA offices have an
arrangement with the DHS, USCIS office to telephone for the follow-up
contact; other SSA offices send a copy of the original G-845 annotated
?second request.?) If the DHS response is still not received within 15
federal work days after the follow-up contact (if the follow-up is by
mail allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845
to be received at and returned from DHS), make a second follow-up
contact. If the DHS response is not received within 15 federal workdays
(again, if the follow-up is by mail, allow five additional federal work
days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from
DHS), after two follow-ups, contact the RO. Also report to the RO any
trend that shows a serious deviation by DHS from the above time frames.
The RO will consult with central office.
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203001
RM 00203.001 Evidence Required for an SSN Card

C. POLICY - EVIDENCE FOR AN ORIGINAL OR NEW SSN

1. Work Authorized SSN Card

An alien allowed to work must provide evidence establishing age,
identity and work authorized lawful alien status.
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203020
RM 00203.020 Number of Documents Required for an SSN Card

2. Original (and new SSNs)

At least two documents are required and should be requested.

b. Aliens

A foreign born individual should always be requested to submit a foreign
birth certificate if one is in his/her possession or if one can be
easily obtained. However, if a foreign birth certificate does not exist
or cannot be obtained, accept alternative evidence of age.

The DHS document (e.g., I-551, I-94, or an employment authorization
document) establishes lawful alien status or work authorization and
either identity or age. If the DHS document is used to establish alien
status and identity, the alien must provide another document, such as a
passport or birth certificate, to establish age. Conversely, if the DHS
document is used to establish alien status and age, a second document,
such as a passport or driver's license, is required to establish
identity
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200
RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203030
RM 00203.030 Requesting Documents for an SSN Card

c. POLICY - FORM OF EVIDENCE

Evidence must be:

The original document, or a copy certified by the issuing agency or
custodian of the original record. Uncertified photocopies and notarized
copies are not acceptable.

A receipt from DHS showing the alien applied for the document is also
not acceptable. The applicant must present the actual document.
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Delays in Issuing SSNs to Aliens by the Social Security Administration:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=1292-
27,00.html

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