On May 17, 4:22 pm, bob r <@plians.net> wrote:
> johnro...@... wrote:
> > US Deal on Immigration Reform
> >http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/us-deal-on-immigration-r...
>
> > Apparently, the Senate leadership and the President have reached a
> > deal on comprehensive immigration reform. But its unlikely to survive
> > the Senate and House vote without some adjustments, if it gets through
> > at all. Frankly, from what is reported so far, I don't see how this is
> > going to solve the problem. Not everyone will cooperate, many illegals
> > will refuse to leave the country or go through the process, and many
> > more will continue to cross the border. Let's take a look...
>
> > Here's the part they are using to placate the Republicans:
>
> > [The plan would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a
> > "Z visa" and - after paying fees and a $5,000 fine - ultimately get on
> > track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13
> > years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries
> > first.]
>
> > Ah... but what if they don't return home, or don't pay? Never fear,
> > there is an answer:
>
> > [Heads of household could come forward right away to claim a
> > probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the
> > U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or
> > citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech
> > worker identification program were completed.]
>
> > You have got to be kidding me. This is their answer? Here is my
> > prediction - if this thing goes through as written, most illegals will
> > not pay the $5,000 and/or return home. So they will just use the
> > "probationary" card instead. And use it. And use it, and use it again
> > and again... As long as they can legally live in the US without fear
> > of deportation, I don't think they will be too concerned about getting
> > that path to citizenship. Other than voting rights, I don't see what
> > advantage it really is for them to become US citizens. They can still
> > enjoy all the perks, and they won't even have to register for the
> > draft! Since this bill doesn't mention any extra funding or manpower
> > for deportations, it has no teeth and will be ignored.
>
> > Also from the article:
> > ["When the objections are raised as to amnesty, the question is
> > returned, what more can be done with these 12 million undocumented
> > immigrants? ]
>
> > ....Send them home?
>
> > [that more hurdles can be placed to be sure that we do the maximum to
> > avoid the charge of amnesty? And we are still open for suggestions.
> > But the consequences of not moving to a solution on this issue is we
> > have anarchy. We have uncontrolled borders," Specter said.
> > Workers would have to return home after job stints of two years, with
> > little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S.
> > citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would
> > be required to leave for a year in between each time.]
>
> > But what if they refuse to return home even for one year? (and most
> > will refuse, I promise). Then you will still have anarchy, will still
> > have uncontrolled borders, will still have Churches trying to protect
> > illegals from deportation, immigrant protest marches, etc etc.
>
> > How about this instead?
>
> > 1) Build an effective border fence without gaps
> > 2) Triple the size of the Border Patrol
> > 3) Pass a law so that children born to illegals are not automatically
> > US citizens (or just interpret the 14th Amendment as the writers
> > intended)
> > 4) Offer illegals aid and incentives to return home.
> > 5) Put a moratorium on immigration from Latin American countries for
> > at least five years, replaced with immigrants from the rest of the
> > world instead (to prevent sections of the US separating into Spanish-
> > speaking zones)
>
> > My prediction here. If this thing actually becomes law, it will do
> > very little in the short run, and in the long run it will increase
> > illegal immigration, exactly the same way the 1986 amnesty did.
>
> It was not intended to work. The Legislation has not even been printed
> so they can read or debate it. It is just like the Immigration Reform
> and Control Act of 86 which is the reason we have so many Illegals. It
> is a joke. They think that John Q Public is an ignorant ass. They say
> look what we are doing to eliminate Illegal Immigration, with a straight
> face.
> It is nothing but an Amnesty Bill.- Hide quoted text -
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I understand that they are scheduling a vote next week so as to make
it impossible for anyone to read the bill, which is 1,000 pages.
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