"publius2k" wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:55:41 -0500, "GeekBoy" wrote:
>
>>
>>"Wayne George" wrote in message
>>news:jARVi.160972$Da.62736@pd7urf1no...
>>> Wrong again Geekbot..
>>> I am of The Anishinabek nd Pottawatomi Peoples of The Great Inland
>>> Waters
>>> of Turtle Island..known to you folks as The Great Lakes Region. One of
>>> my
>>> Great Grand Fathers came here in the 1800's from a small island near
>>> Europe called Ireland. But the stolen country calling itself
>>> canada..decided to call me an "Indian" because I was born and raised on
>>> one of their "reservations'...
>>>
>>
>>
>>Oh..so you are a late comer.
>
> You're not a geek, you're a twit.
>
And you just do not know Geography:
"my Great Grand Fathers came here in the 1800's from a small island near
Europe called Ireland"
> Any true geek can do the math, simple binary math.
>
> each person, barring some multi-generational contributions, has:
> 2 parents
> and 4 grand parents
> and 8 great-grand parents
> and 16 great-great-grand parents
> and 32 great-great-great-grand parents
> and 64 great-great-great-great-grand parents
> and 128 great-great-great-great-great-grand parents
> and 256 great-great-great-great-great-great-grand parents
> and 512 great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand parents
> and 1024 great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand parents
> etc...
>
> So having one ancestor originating from another place, does not
> necessarily or accurately
> define one as a 'late comer'. besides, that concern is primarily the
> creation of the
> patriarchal eurocentric mindset, preoccupied with rights of property
> inheritance.
>
> As many of the native peoples were culturally matrilineal, all children
> were 100% the
> mother's people, the mother's clan.
>
> Human rights are not defined or limited by the pope's papal bull$#!% of
> 1493 creating
> 'right by discovery'.
Then this should do it:
Evidence grows N. America's first colonizers were European
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news168.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/columbus.shtml
GB
>
>>
>>
>>> wayne :) george
>>> ===========
>>> "GeekBoy" wrote in message
>>> news:4727a025$0$16449$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne George" wrote in message
>>>> news:lYMVi.159832$Da.58041@pd7urf1no...
>>>>> NAW..Geekboy..*WE* were here when the 'dinosaurs' came walking up this
>>>>> way..and 'they' walked along side of us..
>>>>> It is written in stone for all to see.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes I would agree YOU Europeans been here since those days as the
>>>> evidence shows.
>>>>>
>>>>> wayne :) george
>>>>> ===========
>>>>> "GeekBoy" wrote in message
>>>>> news:47273fcd$0$20605$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> Evidence grows N. America's first colonizers were European
>>>>>> http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news168.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/columbus.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "publius2k" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:379ei31k2e866r68q4i83om4crbith12u9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> MNN. Oct. 29, 2007. The following position on the Border Issue is
>>>>>>> being presented by the
>>>>>>> Mohawk Women Title Holders on November 7, 2007 at the "Indigenous
>>>>>>> Peoples Border Summit of
>>>>>>> the Americas" at Tohona O'odham Nation which is claimed by foreign
>>>>>>> entities known as
>>>>>>> Mexico and the U.S. The corporate colonial franchises known as
>>>>>>> "Canada", "U.S." and
>>>>>>> "Mexico" are trying to illegally place physical and destructive
>>>>>>> restrictions on our
>>>>>>> movements over our ancestral lands. The Women Title Holder intend
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> serve notice to
>>>>>>> these immigrants and the world community that we refuse to tolerate
>>>>>>> it. Comments
>>>>>>> appreciated MNN Mohawk Nation News www.mohawknationnews.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOTICE FROM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Kohtihon'tia:kwenio of the Kanion'ke:haka - Women Title Holders
>>>>>>> of the Mohawk Nation
>>>>>>> of the Rotino'shonni:onwe (Iroquois)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> November 7, 2007
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TO: The Invaders of North, Central and South America, all their
>>>>>>> criminal agencies and
>>>>>>> departments, their international terrorist allies and the useless
>>>>>>> members of the United
>>>>>>> Nations;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RE: Freedom of Rotino'shonni:onwe to traverse throughout Indigenous
>>>>>>> lands known as
>>>>>>> Onowaregeh, Turtle Island of the " Western Hemisphere " and beyond
>>>>>>> without hindrance from
>>>>>>> the invading aliens and their agents;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PRESENTED AT:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Indigenous Peoples Border Summit of the Americas ,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> San Xavier Community Center, 2018 West San Xavier Road, Tohona
>>>>>>> O'odham
>>>>>>> Nation whose
>>>>>>> territory is claimed by Mexico and the United States. [Kim Garcia
>>>>>>> 520-573-4000,
>>>>>>> kgarcia@waknet.org].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PREAMBLE:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our land is who we are. We can never forfeit ourselves or our land
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> we are part of
>>>>>>> Creation on in these lands known as the "Western Hemisphere", which
>>>>>>> includes North,
>>>>>>> Central and South America . We were never conquered by anybody. We
>>>>>>> survived outright
>>>>>>> murder, chemical and germ warfare, starvation, genocide by statute,
>>>>>>> lies and ignorance
>>>>>>> committed by fabricated colonial nations that are squatting on our
>>>>>>> Indigenous lands.
>>>>>>> Canada, United States, Mexico and all the other colonists are
>>>>>>> fictitious "nations". They
>>>>>>> are corporate "franchises" of Europe , not governments. They do not
>>>>>>> and can never have
>>>>>>> title to our land. Only we, the original Title Holders, have
>>>>>>> sovereign authority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WAMPUM 44 -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GREAT LAW OF PEACE, KAIANEREH'KO:WA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to Wampum 44 of our law, the Kaianereh'ko:wa, the Great
>>>>>>> Law
>>>>>>> of Peace, we, the
>>>>>>> Kohtihon'tia:kwenio - Women Title Holders - are the caretakers of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> land, water and air
>>>>>>> of "Onowaregeh" [Turtle Island]; and as trustees, our obligation is
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> preserve and
>>>>>>> protect the land for the future generations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a)WHEREAS the Two Row Wampum Agreement and Wampum 58 of the
>>>>>>> Kaianereh'ko:wa, Great Law of
>>>>>>> Peace, stipulate that no one shall restrict our freedom of passage
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> our lands we call
>>>>>>> Onowaregeh and beyond; we will always reject these artificial
>>>>>>> borders
>>>>>>> that were created by
>>>>>>> the capitalist corporations known as "Canada", "United States" and
>>>>>>> "Mexico" which are
>>>>>>> meant to illegally divide up lands and resources stolen from the
>>>>>>> Indigenous peoples; and
>>>>>>> we, the original people, will continue to make agreements and
>>>>>>> alliances among our nations
>>>>>>> as we see fit and as we have done since time immemorial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> b)WHEREAS regarding the northeastern area of Onowaregeh, the
>>>>>>> Kohtihon'tia:kwenio give
>>>>>>> notice that we reject the attempt by the colonists to make unlawful
>>>>>>> restrictions on our
>>>>>>> freedom of passage on our territory and beyond.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c)WHEREAS respect for our rights is entrenched in the constitutions
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Canada and the
>>>>>>> United States .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> d)WHEREAS the Charter of the United Nations requires respect for the
>>>>>>> principles of equal
>>>>>>> rights and self-determination of peoples; and its members have
>>>>>>> signed
>>>>>>> a commitment to
>>>>>>> resolve differences peacefully without using force.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> e)WHEREAS Canada, the United States and Mexico have ascribed to the
>>>>>>> internationally
>>>>>>> recognized standards for respecting political rights of the People
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> set out in the
>>>>>>> International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Universal
>>>>>>> Declaration of Human
>>>>>>> Rights, the Convention on the Prevention of Genocide, United Nations
>>>>>>> Convention on
>>>>>>> Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and other international legal
>>>>>>> instruments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f)WHEREAS General Assembly Resolution 1541 (XV) requires the
>>>>>>> informed
>>>>>>> consent of the
>>>>>>> people before they are included in another state; and the
>>>>>>> international Court of Justice
>>>>>>> affirmed this Resolution in the Western Sahara case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> g)WHEREAS according to article 15 of the Universal Declaration of
>>>>>>> Human Rights, Sections 1
>>>>>>> and 2, every nation has a right to its nationality; and no nation
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> change another
>>>>>>> nation's identity by imposing legislation to restrict travel, trade
>>>>>>> and commerce which
>>>>>>> must be unhindered throughout our original pre-contact territories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> h)WHEREAS international law is committed to affirming the equal and
>>>>>>> inalienable rights of
>>>>>>> all peoples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i)WHEREAS Canada, the United States, Mexico and all other colonial
>>>>>>> states must abide by
>>>>>>> the international law principles that there can be no arbitrary
>>>>>>> encroachment on Indigenous
>>>>>>> peoples; ignoring the true Indigenous people is now universally
>>>>>>> recognized as illegal;
>>>>>>> independent Indigenous people's rights must be respected and heeded;
>>>>>>> and our perspectives
>>>>>>> on the issues must not be ignored;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> j)WHEREAS the Indigenous peoples have our own constitutions, we
>>>>>>> cannot be arbitrarily
>>>>>>> turned into Canadian, American or Mexican citizens without our
>>>>>>> knowledge or consent; and
>>>>>>> we cannot be governed by foreign laws that have been arbitrarily
>>>>>>> imposed without our
>>>>>>> consent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k)WHEREAS foreign nations that have invaded our territory cannot
>>>>>>> restrict our movements
>>>>>>> and make unlawful demands for us to carry foreign passports and
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> forms of alien
>>>>>>> identity; we have made agreements and means by which to traverse the
>>>>>>> lands of our
>>>>>>> Indigenous allies; and we have a form of identification, the "Red
>>>>>>> Card", which are issued
>>>>>>> to us under our constitution, the Kaianereh'ko:wa. The
>>>>>>> "Haudenosaunee
>>>>>>> Passport" is for
>>>>>>> travel outside of Onowaregeh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> l)WHEREAS the "Red Card" and the "Haudenosaunee Passport" identifies
>>>>>>> that a person is a
>>>>>>> "Haudenosaunee", Six Nations, of Onowaregeh; according to the Two
>>>>>>> Row
>>>>>>> Wampum Agreement we
>>>>>>> are free to pass and re-pass by land or inland navigation or by air
>>>>>>> onto our territories;
>>>>>>> we are free to continue to carry on trade and commerce with each
>>>>>>> other; it is illegal for
>>>>>>> taxes, duties or any fees whatsoever to be extracted from us by any
>>>>>>> foreigners; we are
>>>>>>> free to hunt and fish anywhere on our territory; and we shall have
>>>>>>> free passage over all
>>>>>>> toll roads and bridges that have been built on Onowaregeh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> m)WHEREAS the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
>>>>>>> provides that every
>>>>>>> human being has the inherent right to life and fundamental freedom;
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> one shall be
>>>>>>> arbitrarily deprived of his life or freedom; we demand that the
>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>> States stop the
>>>>>>> practice of murdering and detaining our people for crossing their
>>>>>>> illegally imposed
>>>>>>> economic border; this contravenes the internationally recognized
>>>>>>> principles of fundamental
>>>>>>> justice; life is sacred; and no product of the human imagination can
>>>>>>> justify these
>>>>>>> systemic detentions and murders. Human life may not be sacred to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> invaders, but it is
>>>>>>> to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> n)WHEREAS the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous
>>>>>>> People has been
>>>>>>> adopted by a majority of 144 states; international law has affirmed
>>>>>>> that all Indigenous
>>>>>>> peoples are to be treated as equals to all other peoples; and we
>>>>>>> accordingly claim our
>>>>>>> right to the full enjoyment as collectives and as individuals to all
>>>>>>> the human rights and
>>>>>>> fundamental freedoms that have been recognized in the Charter of the
>>>>>>> United Nations, the
>>>>>>> Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law,
>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>> the right to
>>>>>>> self-determination and the right to self-government in all our
>>>>>>> affairs
>>>>>>> without being
>>>>>>> subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of our culture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o)WHEREAS states are required to provide redress for violations of
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> rights through
>>>>>>> effective mechanisms; we hereby notify Canada, United States and
>>>>>>> Mexico that their
>>>>>>> citizens have been violating our rights; we demand they disarm and
>>>>>>> stop them from
>>>>>>> detaining and shooting us; we demand that they stop harassing and
>>>>>>> charging us in their
>>>>>>> illegally imposed judicial system; and should they have any issues
>>>>>>> with us, they must
>>>>>>> bring their complaints to the legal representatives of our
>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>> governments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p)WHEREAS we are aware that torture is an intentional act that is
>>>>>>> premeditated, systemic
>>>>>>> and scientific which is meant to break down our dignity, our social
>>>>>>> fabric and foment
>>>>>>> terror within our people; and these detentions are illegal and
>>>>>>> violations of fundamental
>>>>>>> human rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> q)WHEREAS most of us have been subjected to illegal "puppet" tribal
>>>>>>> and band councils
>>>>>>> imposed by foreign colonial states, we demand that the colonizing
>>>>>>> states disband their
>>>>>>> puppet entities and restore proper diplomatic relations with our
>>>>>>> inherent traditional
>>>>>>> governments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WE, THE KOHTIHON'TIA:KWENIO SEEK TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS IS FULL AND
>>>>>>> FAIR NOTICE THAT:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Canada, United States, Mexico and other colonial franchises must
>>>>>>> cease
>>>>>>> and desist their
>>>>>>> attempts to violate our authority; that they must deal with us on a
>>>>>>> nation-to-nation basis
>>>>>>> as required under both our law and international law; that any
>>>>>>> individual or foreign
>>>>>>> entity wishing to discuss any issues between our nations must
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>> full information
>>>>>>> through proper diplomatic channels, which are the Governor General
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Canada and the
>>>>>>> Presidents of the United States and Mexico, who have a duty to
>>>>>>> inform
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We, the Kohtihon'tia:kwenio, brought this matter to the attention of
>>>>>>> Canada in an action
>>>>>>> in the Supreme Court of Canada - Kanion'ke:haka Kaianereh'ko:wa
>>>>>>> Kanon'ses:neh v. Attorney
>>>>>>> General of Canada and Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Ontario,
>>>>>>> Court
>>>>>>> File:
>>>>>>> 05-CV-030785.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We, the Kohtihon'tia:kwenio, brought this constitutional
>>>>>>> jurisdiction
>>>>>>> issue before the
>>>>>>> U.S. Supreme Court. See No. 05-165: 2005. In the Supreme Court of
>>>>>>> the United States in
>>>>>>> re: Kanion'ke:haka Kaianereh'ko:wa Kanon'ses:ne, Non-party,
>>>>>>> Petitioner/Movant/Appellant,
>>>>>>> The Canadian St. Regis Band of Mohawk Indians, Plaintiffs,
>>>>>>> Respondents
>>>>>>> v. The State of New
>>>>>>> York , Defendants, Respondents. Petition for Writs of Certiorari
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Quo Warranto with
>>>>>>> Prohibition and Mandamus in Aid to Prevent Genocide. Rules 17.1 and
>>>>>>> 20.1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FOR THE ABOVE REASONS, WE, THE KOHTIHON'TIA:KWENIO, AS MEMBERS OF
>>>>>>> THE
>>>>>>> ROTINO'SHONNI:ONWE -
>>>>>>> IN ORDER TO PROTECT OUR PHYSICAL INTEGRITY AND LEGAL RIGHTS - SAY AS
>>>>>>> FOLLOWS:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i)The Women Title Holders of the Rotino'shonni:onwe does not
>>>>>>> tolerate
>>>>>>> the violations of
>>>>>>> our constitution, ancient customs, traditions and agreements by
>>>>>>> Canada, U.S., Mexico or
>>>>>>> any franchises, corporations and agents violating our inherent
>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>> by encroaching on
>>>>>>> our land.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ii)Murder and torture have no place in either internal or
>>>>>>> international relations of any
>>>>>>> peoples. It is a violation of the Great Law which is the first and
>>>>>>> only law of the
>>>>>>> Western Hemisphere .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> iii) We invite Canada, the U.S. and Mexico to put away their guns
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> weaponry so we can
>>>>>>> resolve our differences in a mature and peaceful way, by
>>>>>>> rediscovering
>>>>>>> and brightening the
>>>>>>> spirit of the Two Row Wampum and the Covenant Chain that began our
>>>>>>> peaceful international
>>>>>>> relationship centuries ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> iv)Should Canada , U.S. and Mexico continue to breach our rights, we
>>>>>>> shall take the
>>>>>>> necessary measures available to us in the international arena to
>>>>>>> correct the injustices
>>>>>>> that have been committed against us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v)It has never been acceptable to abuse people on the basis of race,
>>>>>>> religion,
>>>>>>> nationality, belief or membership in a particular social group. We
>>>>>>> invite all members of
>>>>>>> the colonizing societies to become partners with us to end the cycle
>>>>>>> of abuse, stop the
>>>>>>> illegal criminalization of our people and extend dignity, equality
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> a voice to all
>>>>>>> peoples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KOHTIHON'TIA:KWENIO, the Women Title Holders of the Kanion'ke:haka
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Rotino'shonni:onwe:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Katenies /s/ __________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kahentinetha /s/ ____________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to
>>>>>>> the invader de Soto's demand for submission to
>>>>>>> the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits
>>>>>>> of 'civilization' and service:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are,
>>>>>>> through others of you who came years ago to my land;
>>>>>>> and I already know very well what your customs and
>>>>>>> behavior are like. To me you are professional
>>>>>>> vagabonds who wander from place to place,
>>>>>>> gaining your livelihood by robbing, sacking and
>>>>>>> murdering people who have given you no offense.
>>>>>>> ... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed
>>>>>>> to die a hundred deaths to maintain the freedom
>>>>>>> of our land. This is our answer, both
>>>>>>> for the present and forevermore."
>>>>>>> -- "Florida of the Inca" (1591)
>>>>>>> by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]
>>>>>>> - First American Author to be published.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to
> the invader de Soto's demand for submission to
> the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits
> of 'civilization' and service:
>
> "I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are,
> through others of you who came years ago to my land;
> and I already know very well what your customs and
> behavior are like. To me you are professional
> vagabonds who wander from place to place,
> gaining your livelihood by robbing, sacking and
> murdering people who have given you no offense.
> ... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed
> to die a hundred deaths to maintain the freedom
> of our land. This is our answer, both
> for the present and forevermore."
> -- "Florida of the Inca" (1591)
> by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]
> - First American Author to be published.
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