Subject: Re: Jan 1 - Arizona firms brace for immigration sanctions law

Passports: Home [ Africa ] [ Americas, Australia & Oceania] [ Asia] [ Europe] [ Other documents ]
Travel:[Europe] [ Asia ] [ USA-Canada ] [ Latin-America ] [ Africa ] [ Australia ] [ Carabben ] [ Air ] [Cruises ]

[ Webmail Login ] [ Immigration, Travel Forum Australia | Canada | USA ]

Forum

Live chat

[ Home ][ Group Home ][ Random article ] [ First Article ][ Previous Article ] [ Next Article ] [ Newest Article ]

Subject: Re: Jan 1 - Arizona firms brace for immigration sanctions law

Posted on: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:28:19 -0500

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:12:22 -0800, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

> On Dec 31 2007, 4:02 pm, "Genaro" wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:34:24 -0800, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> > On Dec 31, 9:26 am, "Genaro" wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:47:17 -0600, Reality wrote:
>> >> > Genaro wrote:
>>
>> >> >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:03:51 +0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>> >> >> MURDERERS wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >http://tinyurl.com/2r5z36
>>
>> >> >> > Arizona firms brace for immigration sanctions law
>>
>> >> >> > By Tim Gaynor Sun Dec 30, 9:41 AM ET
>>
>> >> >> > PHOENIX (Reuters) -
>>
>> >> >> > The law, passed days after a federal immigration overhaul died in the
>> >> >> > U.S. Senate in June, punishes first-time violators who knowingly hire
>> >> >> > undocumented workers with a 10-day suspension of their business
>> >> >> > licenses.
>>
>> >> >> > A second offense means they lose it.
>>
>> >> >> > The measure also requires employers to use an online federal
>> >> >> > database, dubbed "E-Verify," to check the employment eligibility of
>> >> >> > new hires in the border state, which is home to an estimated 500,000
>> >> >> > illegal immigrants.
>>
>> >> >> > Many employers like Bailey say they are pruning their workforce of
>> >> >> > illegal immigrants to avoid prosecution, or have outsourced some
>> >> >> > operations to neighboring states and even over the border to Mexico.
>>
>> >> >> > Other businesses have put a freeze on expansion in Arizona out of
>> >> >> > fear they will face prosecution should they inadvertently hire an
>> >> >> > illegal immigrant.
>>
>> >> >> > "It is too much of a risk for us," said Jason LeVecke, a franchise
>> >> >> > owner who operates a chain of 57 Carl's Jr. hamburg er restaurants in
>> >> >> > the state.
>>
>> >> >> > He plans to expand in Texas.
>>
>> >> >> > Many Arizonans support the new law. They say it takes away the lure
>> >> >> > of jobs for illegal immigrants and clamps down on employers unfairly
>> >> >> > profiting from cheap migrant labor.
>>
>> >> >> > "The only people who should be nervous are employers who hire
>> >> >> > illegals at cheap rates to gain unfair advantage over their
>> >> >> > competitors. They should be worrying a lot," said John Kavanagh, a
>> >> >> > Republican state lawmaker who co- sponsored the bill.
>>
>> >> >> > Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, signed the measure into law
>> >> >> > despite voicing concern that it was a business "death penalty."
>>
>> >> >> > A coalition of business groups filed suit to block the measure,
>> >> >> > arguing that it will be harmful to local businesses. A U.S. District
>> >> >> > Court threw out the challenge earlier this month, but a new suit has
>> >> >> > since been filed.
>>
>> >> >> > Lawyers opposed to the employer sanctions law say that it is
>> >> >> > unconstitutional and is open to abuse by people making malicious
>> >> >> > anonymous complaints. They warn that it will also make Arizona less
>> >> >> > competitive nationally.
>>
>> >> >> > (snip)
>> >> >> -------
>> >> >> Operating within the law after decades of acting in violation of it
>> >> >> will most likely be uncomfortable for AZ and other states that follow
>> >> >> suit.
>>
>> >> > Bulloney! They cant afford to enforce the law and lack the 1 million+
>> >> > staff to do so. You obviously dont have the faintest idea what you are
>> >> > "bloviating" about in the comfort of your arrogance. The good news is:
>> >> > we are shipping them all to YOU!
>>
>> >> >> Kudos to Napolitano for doing the right thing, difficult as it may be.
>> >> >> -------
>>
>> >> -------
>> >> No need, they are already here and continue to come in droves since
>> >> Maryland is one of 7 states that gives drivers licenses and voter
>> >> registration to illegal immigrants.
>>
>> >> According to an estimate of the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005 there were an
>> >> estimated 225,000 to 275,000 illegal aliens living in Maryland. This
>> >> estimate ranks 11th among illegal alien populations in the United States
>> >> for the PEW estimate.
>>
>> >> The Federation for American Immigration Reform(FAIR) projected annual
>> >> fiscal costs to Maryland taxpayers for emergency medical care, education
>> >> and incarceration resulting if an amnesty is adopted for illegal
>> >> residents.
>> >> Current: $331,000,000
>> >> 2010 $551,000,000
>> >> 2020 $934,000,000
>>
>> >> Maryland just passed the biggest tax hike in its history forcing
>> >> businesses out of the state to places like DE, NJ, and PA.
>>
>> >> When you look at all the variables that contribute to the impact of
>> >> illegal immigration on a state you get a better grasp of the economics
>> >> involved. If you run the numbers on AZ maybe you'll re-assess the tough
>> >> decision your governor made. Maryland's governor doesn't give a shit about
>> >> the citizens of MD. His main interest is the hispanic vote.
>> >> -------
>>
>> > However illegals work in jobs no one else wants with out health
>> > insurance. They pay all taxes, all fees and some times get messed
>> > over when their employer doesn't pay them. Now how many Americans
>> > want to work in a chicken processing plant? Not to many. How many
>> > Americans want to do yard work? Not to many.
>>
>> -------
>> Taxes paid by illegals come nowhere near the negative impact they have on
>> the US economy. Prisons are filling up with illegals, hospitals are going
>> out of business, and schools are teaching subjects in Spanish.
>>
>> How many US citizens CAN work at processing plants and do yard work when
>> those positions are easily filled by the employer with illegals for low
>> wages and little or no benefits?
>> -------> The costs from illegals is frankly nil, these are the people our
>> > primitive health care system has screwed over for decades. Make sure
>> > you know were replacement workers are coming from before you throw the
>> > illegals out.
>>
>> -------
>> I urge you to read the study findings done by the Center for Immigration
>> Studies(CIS).
>>
>> http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
>>
>> Most of the replacement workers will be high school students saving for
>> college and college students working their way to a degree.
>> -------
>
> Happy New Year my friends!
>
> Now on to business. I went and looked up the Center for Immigration
> Studies on the internet and frankly CIT doesn't look to good. Their
> an off shoot of FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform) a
> very anti-immigration group. Take a look at this reference
> (rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1452).
>
-------
That's a fair criticism of CIS, however the "rightweb" article
criticizing CIS fails to make the distinction between immigration and
illegal immigration indicating it has an agenda of its own.
-------
> Our country relies on immigrant labor now and in the future. What we
> need is to have a reasoned discussion of immigration not the assault
> tactics that our repug brothers have applied. We need to figure out
> how many immigrants we need and how many immigrants are here
> illegally. Next we need to figure out a rational, moral way to make
> immigrants legal.
>
> In the long term we need to take care of labor shortages by prior
> planning, not by flooding the market with illegals. Mostly this is
> done by business, legally stopping business's doesn't bother me at
> all, but it does have to be legal.

[ Home ][ Group Home ][ Random article ] [ First Article ][ Previous Article ] [ Next Article ] [ Newest Article ]