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Subject: Re: Jan 1 - Arizona firms brace for immigration sanctions law Posted on: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:48:11 -0500

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:38:59 -0800, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

> On Jan 2, 9:35 am, "Genaro" wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:00:52 -0800, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> > On Jan 1, 9:27 pm, "Genaro" wrote:
>> >> >> > Here in Georgia we have a wildly discriminatory voter id law that
>> >> >> > either requires a drivers license or that a citizen go to their court
>> >> >> > house to get a special voter id. This was done to get rid of senior
>> >> >> > citizens, they tend to vote dem more than repug. This is another way
>> >> >> > that the repugs try to stay in power, they either throw out dem votes
>> >> >> > or they don't allow dems to vote. Look at Florida.
>>
>> >> >> > Most of this is in the pin prick range. However its a pin prick that
>> >> >> > we don't need. The way to win elections is to have the majority of
>> >> >> > voters vote for you.
>>
>> >> >> -------
>> >> >> Isn't it true that Georgia has a program that brings voter IDs to the
>> >> >> homes of those that cannot make the trip themselves?
>> >> >> -------
>>
>> >> > Lots of talk, no action frankly plus its on its face illegal. For
>> >> > instance we own property, free and clear in the voting precinct, why
>> >> > should I have to have either a drivers license or a voter id? I've
>> >> > been registered at that precinct since 1979. To say the least I find
>> >> > the practice ridiculous. If I'm asked for my drivers license I think
>> >> > it should be for a possible driving violation, any thing else makes a
>> >> > drivers license a defacto state id. I just don't like that.
>>
>> >> > Many of the people the repugs wanted out of the voting booths own
>> >> > property and have worked in the area since the first tick of forever.
>> >> > This is why this voting tactic is so sick, if you want a know voter,
>> >> > thats me and thats my wife. We and just about every one in the
>> >> > precinct finds this practice reprehensible.
>>
>> >> -------
>> >> I can't improve on what bvalley has already told you. I think you need to
>> >> re-evaluate your attitude toward the need for ID verification at a time
>> >> when identities are being stolen, counterfeited, and misrepresented by
>> >> those who would take advantage of you without blinking an eye. Don't let
>> >> yourself be punked.
>> >> -------
>>
>> > Allow me to point out that there is a huge difference between using a
>> > drivers license as a license and using a drivers license as a state
>> > id. At present the law does not require a citizen to carry any id so
>> > I can't see the need for a back door approach to this.
>>
>> -------
>> I don't know how to respond to that except to say that a state issued
>> drivers license ALLOWS you to do many things besides drive a vehicle. Your
>> attempt to create a difference between using a drivers license and a state
>> ID is irrlelevant since the drivers license IS a state ID.
>> -------> Look, the law was passed to eliminate dem voters, not illegal aliens.
>> > What you are creeping up on is requiring every citizen to carry a
>> > national id. That I feel would be a huge mistake. Whats worse is
>> > your idea that this can be obtained by small steps. This creates a
>> > climate of fear and confusion, this is already happening in GA.
>>
>> -------
>> I could not disagree more. I believe everyone who plants their feet on US
>> soil should be required to prove they are who they say they are. Trust but
>> verify.
>> -------
>
> Actually the law in GA requires you to carry a drivers license only
> when you drive and at no other time.
>
> The law does require every person entering the US to show id, in this
> case a pass port or a pass port and a visa for ordinary citizens, a
> diplomatic id for diplomats.
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Unfortunately the non-verification of those IDs and lack of enforcement of
those laws helped allow the 9/11 tragedy.
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