On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:55:01 -0500, T Jr Hardman wrote:
> Genaro wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:33:19 -0500, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>>
>>> Genaro wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:07:50 -0500, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Genaro wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:36:25 -0500, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Genaro wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:00:38 -0500, T Jr Hardman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Genaro" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:pan.2007.12.31.14.26.21.284465@bat.hit...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:47:17 -0600, Reality wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Genaro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:03:51 +0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are MURDERERS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2r5z36
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona firms brace for immigration sanctions law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Tim Gaynor Sun Dec 30, 9:41 AM ET
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOENIX (Reuters) -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The law, passed days after a federal immigration overhaul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> died in the U.S. Senate in June, punishes first-time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violators who knowingly hire undocumented workers with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-day suspension of their business licenses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A second offense means they lose it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The measure also requires employers to use an online
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal database, dubbed "E-Verify," to check the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employment eligibility of new hires in the border state,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is home to an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many employers like Bailey say they are pruning their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workforce of illegal immigrants to avoid prosecution, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have outsourced some operations to neighboring states and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even over the border to Mexico.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other businesses have put a freeze on expansion in Arizona
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of fear they will face prosecution should they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently hire an illegal immigrant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is too much of a risk for us," said Jason LeVecke, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> franchise owner who operates a chain of 57 Carl's Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hamburg er restaurants in the state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He plans to expand in Texas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many Arizonans support the new law. They say it takes away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lure of jobs for illegal immigrants and clamps down on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employers unfairly profiting from cheap migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The only people who should be nervous are employers who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hire illegals at cheap rates to gain unfair advantage over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their competitors. They should be worrying a lot," said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Kavanagh, a Republican state lawmaker who co-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsored the bill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, signed the measure into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law despite voicing concern that it was a business "death
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> penalty."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A coalition of business groups filed suit to block the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure, arguing that it will be harmful to local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> businesses. A U.S. District Court threw out the challenge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier this month, but a new suit has since been filed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lawyers opposed to the employer sanctions law say that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unconstitutional and is open to abuse by people making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malicious anonymous complaints. They warn that it will also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make Arizona less competitive nationally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Operating within the law after decades of acting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> violation of it will most likely be uncomfortable for AZ and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other states that follow suit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bulloney! They cant afford to enforce the law and lack the 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> million+ staff to do so. You obviously dont have the faintest
>>>>>>>>>>>> idea what you are "bloviating" about in the comfort of your
>>>>>>>>>>>> arrogance. The good news is: we are shipping them all to
>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kudos to Napolitano for doing the right thing, difficult as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it may be. -------
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>> No need, they are already here and continue to come in droves
>>>>>>>>>>> since Maryland is one of 7 states that gives drivers licenses
>>>>>>>>>>> and voter registration to illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Voter registration to illegal immigrants? Wow, I hadn't heard
>>>>>>>>>> about that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it it time to strip Maryland, and those other 6 states of
>>>>>>>>>> participation in national elections, on the basis that the
>>>>>>>>>> votes are contaminated and valid votes cannot be determined!
>>>>>>>>> Speaking from Maryland, where I recently ran for Delegate,
>>>>>>>>> District 19, I can tell you that about 2 year ago, we had the
>>>>>>>>> head of the State Board of Elections state under oath that not
>>>>>>>>> only did the Board have no idea how many non-citizens were
>>>>>>>>> voting, they had _no way to know_ and couldn't think of how to
>>>>>>>>> go about finding out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I forget her name, exactly, but she came within an inch of being
>>>>>>>>> out of a job within the week. And she absolutely refuses to
>>>>>>>>> discuss anything even remotely impinging on the subject.
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> You may be referring to Linda Lamone. She was on the hot seat for
>>>>>>>> a number of things involving elections.
>>>>>>> Why yes. That would be her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> Shortly before 9/11/2001, I was in a local store buying some
>>>>>>>>> beer. The lady behind the counter asked me what is this jury
>>>>>>>>> duty and how do I get out of it. Evidently when she got her
>>>>>>>>> driver's permit, she was automatically registered to vote and
>>>>>>>>> added to the juror pool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder how many legal cases are technically invalidated by
>>>>>>>>> that sort of thing.
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> Hard to say. Maryland authorities don't ask about legal status.
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Well, at Jury Selection time they can, and they are starting to do
>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Interesting. So if they create a list of no-shows at jury selection
>>>>>> time and allow MVA to cross-reference it before granting drivers
>>>>>> licenses... naah, that would be too much to hope for. But there is
>>>>>> a penalty for not showing up for jury duty and it's not as easy to
>>>>>> blow it off as before.
>>>>> Oh no, it's not. Why would anyone want to blow it off, anyway? Aside
>>>>> from voting, the right and duty of sitting on a jury is the most
>>>>> important aspect of citizenship.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> BTW there was recently a civil suit brought against the Motor
>>>>>>> Vehicle Administration by the infamous "CASA of Maryland" because
>>>>>>> the MVA started tightening up on their documentary requirements.
>>>>>>> This was when the MVA started making preparatory moves within its
>>>>>>> own authority to start to comply with the REAL ID Act of 2005
>>>>>>> which takes effect this year. By year's end, Maryland should be
>>>>>>> 100-percent in compliance, which will mean that no illegal aliens
>>>>>>> will be issued State ID or driver's permits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Furthermore, a wide variety of citizen's action groups will be
>>>>>>> lobbying the State Department and the Department of Homeland
>>>>>>> Security towards two ends, the first being the overturning of a
>>>>>>> 13-year-old court decision mandating that any undocumented person
>>>>>>> in the US declaring themselves to be Salvadoran would
>>>>>>> automatically be granted status as a "temporary refugee"; the
>>>>>>> second lobbying action will be to get the State Department to
>>>>>>> refuse to extend "temporary protected refugee" status yet-again to
>>>>>>> any of the million or so central americans in the US who would
>>>>>>> then become deportable overnight.
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Encouraging news indeed. Thanks. I'll be paying attention. Changing
>>>>>> the topic for just a second, any thoughts on whether Chief Clerk
>>>>>> Monohan's testimony will have any effect on O'Malley's special
>>>>>> session and the wide sweeping tax hikes enacted today? I believe
>>>>>> the claims are that some procedural violations that are contrary to
>>>>>> Maryland's constitution occurred. I have my doubts anything will
>>>>>> come of it but you never know.
>>>>> At this point in time, I wouldn't put anything past the Democrats in
>>>>> this State, subverting the Constitution (State or Federal) would be
>>>>> right up their alley. Thus, even if it's a clear violation of the
>>>>> Maryland Constitution the worst that will happen is that if the
>>>>> previous legislation is vacated, they'll just rubber stamp it in the
>>>>> new session. There aren't enough Republicans sitting in Annapolis to
>>>>> prevent it, and the Democrats gleefully know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maryland politics being Maryland politics, I'd sure as hell hate to
>>>>> be a Democrat next time there's a Republican majority or even a
>>>>> significant sized Republican minority. Meantime, the Democrats are
>>>>> about to rip themselves a new asshole when they try to evade
>>>>> compliance with the REAL ID Act, which is going to be a
>>>>> double-cruncher considering the budget shortfalls. The strategy on
>>>>> that appears to be that they'll just plead that they don't have the
>>>>> money. As soon as that happens, expect a Federal lawsuit to impose
>>>>> requirements to comply which will cost the State well over twice as
>>>>> much. Annapolis seems to be forgetting that by the end of the year,
>>>>> if the State ID/DL aren't compliant, a lot of Federal workers won't
>>>>> be allowed into their buildings or open bank accounts nor board
>>>>> planes. I expect that sill shut down much of PG and Montgomery
>>>>> County, not to mention BWI Airport since none of the employees will
>>>>> be allowed onto the premises if they don't have a valid passport to
>>>>> display. I'd sure as hell hate to be a Maryland Democrat after that
>>>>> particular shitstorm gets plowed off of the roads.
>>>> -------
>>>> Thanks again. I'll take this information and kick it around with some
>>>> other folks here in District 32.
>>>> -------
>>> Ah, lovely OC and Berlin. Still having problems with carloads of
>>> illegals from the Georgetown chicken plants driving drunk and wrecking
>>> all over the place?
>>>
>>> Or did Delaware tighten up licensing regs? Is Georgetown still full of
>>> uninsured Maryland tags and a lot of pissed-off Delaware cops?
>> -------
>> I wasn't aware of those problems over there on the coast but I'm in
>> legislative district 32, northern Anne Arundel County, just a 15 minute
>> drive south to Annapolis where the real problems are. -------
>
> Ah, easy mistake to make. Has anyone anywhere ever figured out what
> exactly is up with the distinction between Legislative Districts and
> Electoral Districts? I'm guessing you're in W. Glen Burnie? You po' po'
> man. How do you sleep through all of the noise from BWI? ;)
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Not too poorly really. Money was appropriated some time ago to sound-proof
homes and I think they adjusted their approach altitude/speed/direction
because it's not nearly as deafening as it used to be. Of course my
hearing isn't as good as it used to be either.
BTW, Monohan testifies today in Carroll County. The latest is that
documents were backdated.
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