"johnny@." wrote in
news:ILTij.56730$N67.22999@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
> walkmar@easystreet.net wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 3:32 pm, "Steven L." wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Machiavelli wrote in
>>>> news:24pmo357umj3i31tjbceg4tq3l5fem87rk@4ax.com:
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:17:23 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>>>>> are MURDERERS" wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 5:10 pm, Machiavelli wrote:
>>>>>>> The children of illegal aliens are given automatic citizenship
>>>>>>> because the courts have continuously misinterpreted the 14th
>>>>>>> Amendment. The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the
>>>>>>> rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being
>>>>>>> denied as recently-freed slaves. It was written in a manner so as
>>>>>>> to prevent state governments from ever denying citizenship to
>>>>>>> blacks born in the United States.
>>>>>>> The children born of Black slaves in the United States were
>>>>>>> granted citizenship even though their parents were born outside
>>>>>>> the United States. Black slaves were not illegal. They were
>>>>>>> illegally taken from their home country. On the other hand,
>>>>>>> illegal aliens willingly came into this country illegally.
>>>>>>> The following link explains the 14th Amendment.
>>>>>>> http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.
>>>>>>> html Congress should show the guts to produce an amendment to the
>>>>>>> 14th Amendment to clarify its original intent.
>>>>>> It's not a matter of guts - it's about corruption. Our
>>>>>> congressgangsters are paid big bucks by the illegal-alien profiteer
>>>>>> corporations. The only way to stop it is with an angry mob that
>>>>>> will drag a congressman out of his house and hang him.
>>>>> It's guts. Why do think that media drives the point that
>>>>> Republicans are alienating Hispanics? The DNC is the party of
>>>>> illegals. It's not all corporations. Small businesses also employ
>>>>> illegal aliens.
>>>> Which party is always whining about "government
>>>> interference in the marketplace" and "federal restrictions
>>>> on small business"? Republicans are all about using the
>>>> cheapest labor they can find, remember? Of course there is
>>>> no progress on immigration.
>>>> Republicans love to talk about illegal immigration as
>>>> long as nothing actually is DONE about it............
>>>> Illegal workers: good for U.S. economy
>>>> CNNMoney
>>>> May 1, 2006
>>>> "Immigration is actually critical," said Bernard Baumohl,
>>>> executive director of the Economic Outlook Group, a research
>>>> group in Princeton Junction, N.J. "It allows the U.S. economy
>>>> to grow more rapidly without higher inflation pressures."
>>>> Some economists argue that not only do U.S. consumers benefit
>>>> from lower prices as a result of the low wages most immigrants
>>>> are paid, but that the availability of lower-wage labor helps
>>>> create more work for higher-skilled, higher-paid workers who
>>>> are generally native born. "If I'm a builder and I can hire more
>>>> wallboard guys cheaply, my (ability to use) skilled carpenters
>>>> goes up," said Northeastern's Sum.
>>>> A crackdown in illegal immigration in 2004 caused a shortage of
>>>> workers needed to bring in the lettuce crop in the Western United
>>>> States, said Powell, which he said caused a $1 billion loss for
>>>> the industry as many growers had to leave their fields unharvested.
>>> This is a false dichotomy, Mitchell.
>>>
>>> In Japan, they don't have illegal immigrants and they don't need any.
>>> They have developed robots to do all the work of harvesting veggies
>>> out of the crops on the farm. Japan has invested more in robotic
>>> technology than any other nation.
>>>
>>> Robotics can eliminate the need for any most manual human labor,
>>> whether immigrant or native-born.
>>>
>>> If illegal immigration were stopped, it would be an incentive for
>>> agribusiness to invest heavily in robotic processing, just as the
>>> Japanese have done.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven L.
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>> You can't pick strawberries with a machine, unless you're talking
>> about those hard, carboard-like California strawberries (or similarly
>> inedible California tomatoes) that are picked when they're green.
>> Produce that is easy to pick by machine is lousy to eat.
>>
>> Republicans like illegal immigrants because Republicans like paying
>> low wages and providing no benefits; Democrats like illegal immigrants
>> because, well, they are always for the underdog.
>>
>> Everyone benefits from immigrant labor - legal or not. The only reason
>> people object is for racist reasons: because they don't like seeing
>> (or hearing) a lot of Mexicans around.
>>
>> A generation in the future, all those Mexican babies born in this
>> country will be Americans through and through. If you like affordable
>> food, housing and manufactured goods, there is no downside to the
>> illegal immigration "problem".
>>
>> mlw
>>
>>
>>
> Give us an example of lower prices because of illegal immigrants.
>
> Use houses built by illegal immigrants, for example, or lower prices of
> meat because of illegal immigrants working in meatpacking plants.
>
> Can you give any examples?
When immigrants flee, crops rot
Immigrants heard Colorado's you're-not-welcome-here message loud
and clear. Now the state needs its criminals to fill the workers'
former farm jobs.
Colorado is a success story of sorts for the camp that believes
illegal immigrants are nothing more than criminals who ought to
be barred at the border.
The state's tough laws -- which encourage local police to check
papers and make sure no one without a fistful of proper documentation
receives one penny's worth of social services or a driver's license --
actually worked. Immigrants, both illegal and documented (who don't
want the hassle), have stayed away.
In fact, so few migrant workers showed up for last year's harvest
that crops were left to rot in the field.
In order to avoid a repeat of that in the future, Colorado has hit
on another idea: Use convicted criminals to pick crops.
Farmers can pay convicts piddling wages; the crops will get picked
under armed guard; Colorado's farming industry will remain viable;
the dregs of society will earn their three hots and a cot; and
everyone will be happy.
Well, not quite everyone. Landscapers and the owners of restaurants,
car washes and other service-oriented businesses can't fill their
low-wage jobs either. But it isn't as if Colorado's ready for prisoners
to bus tables or trim residential trees.
So why would Colorado reward farmers with 60-cent-an-hour labor when
the farmers who formerly relied on illegal immigrants were breaking
the law? After all, the argument goes, businesses should be held
accountable for their role in the growing illegal immigrant problem.
Because the sad truth that few in the anti-immigration crowd wish to
admit is that cheap labor artificially suppresses food prices.
Unless Americans are willing to further subsidize through tax dollars
the cost of bringing crops to market or to pay higher prices in the
grocery stores, we need some type of lawbreaker -- whether an illegal
immigrant or an American criminal -- to do the backbreaking work for
next to nothing in wages.
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/wb/xp-107280
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