Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote in
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>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote in
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>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote in
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>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote in
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>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> Timothy Crowley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 9:41 pm, strabo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What we have here are Communists like Crowley who will support
>>>>>>>>>>>> any anti-American measure,
>>>>>>>>>>> eat FACTS you racist liar:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
>>>>>>>>>>> subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
>>>>>>>>>> You don't know what "subject to the jurisdiction" means,
>>>>>>>>>> cunthair.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, by now, you *do* know, and you know it does not mean
>>>>>>>>>> merely having to follow the laws. It means much more than that:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> means owing full and exclusive allegiance to the U.S., something
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> children of aliens do not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who do you owe allegiance to, and why?
>>>>>>>> The U.S., .wit, because I'm a citizen of the U.S.
>>>>>>> Because you were born in the US, just like
>>>>>>> the anchor babies you hate.
>>>>>> No, *not* merely because I was born here. Being born here, by
>>>>>> itself, is *not* what creates the allegiance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 14th Amendment says nothing about "allegience"
>>>> It doesn't say anything about having to obey the laws, either, you
>>>> .wit. But "subject to the jurisdiction" *means* owing full and
>>>> exclusive allegiance to the country. We know this beyond dispute:
>>>> the Senators who wrote the amendment said that's what it means.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> That's why there is a separate
>>>>>> phrase, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", in the
>>>>>> citizenship clause.
>>>>> Everyone except diplomats are "subject to the jurisdiction"
>>>>> of the US.
>>>> You're deliberately pretending the phrase means something other than
>>>> what it means.
>>>>
>>>> "Subject to the jurisdiction" does not mean being subject to the laws;
>>>> it means owing full and exclusive allegiance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip bullshit and entirely *INAPPLICABLE* dictionary definition]
>>>
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> Rudy proven wrong
See other post.
>>>>>>>> The phrase, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" that appears in
>>>>>>>> the citizenship clause, *means* owing full and exclusive
>>>>>>>> jurisdiction to the U.S. That's what the authors of the amendment
>>>>>>>> said it means, and that's what the Supreme Court, in two cases
>>>>>>>> following ratification, specifically acknowledged the legislative
>>>>>>>> intent of the phrase to be. Not only that, but they specifically
>>>>>>>> acknowledged that it does *NOT* mean merely subject to the laws.
>>>>>>> Why do you hate patriotic medal-winning Americans?
>>>>>> Stupid asshole's question; disregarded.
>>>>> Should Henry Cejudo be deported to a country
>>>>> he has never been to?
>>>> Stupid asshole's question; disregarded.
>>>>
>>>> He isn't a citizen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He was born in the US, works in the US, and
>>> holds a US passport.
>> Doesn't make him a citizen. He is a presumed citizen.
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>
> Huh?
>
> What is "presumed citizen"?
See Justice Scalia's dissent in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld for an elaboration. |