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Subject: Re: Mum accused of trafficking daughter in airline blunder Posted on: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:47:24 +0100

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:43:03 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

>
>
>B Vaughan wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:02:48 +0000, Lansbury
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It being rather quite at the airport at 2am I did some delving into TIM this
>>>morning to see what it says, and I could make a guess at how this mixed up
>>>happened.
>>>
>>>TIM (Travel Information Manual) says that people traveling to Italy require a
>>>passport except, and then goes into many exemptions to that requirement. One
>>>of which is "a child, or any nationality, resident in an EU country". However
>>>on reading the small print you realise that exemption only refers to children
>>>traveling in a school party. The way it was laid out someone not taking the
>>>time to read it fully could well have given the wrong answer.
>>
>>
>> No, because this child wasn't resident in the EU.
>>
>
>
>I wonder. The article says that she was born in OZ it does not specify
>her residency. If she is a UK resident then her child is a UK citizen
>and thus an EU resident. Alternately the dad appears to be Italian in
>which case it is likely that the kid is also an Italian citizen and thus
>an EU resident.

In Italy, residence is entirely different from citizenship.. In Italy,
you can be a resident without being a citizen and you can be a citizen
without being a resident. Your residence has to be formally declared
in a town register. I was a resident of Italy for five years before
becoming a citizen. My husband's son is an Italian citizen by birth,
but he has been living in the US for the past 10 years and is no
longer an Italian resident because he went to our "comune" and gave
notice of nonresidence.

In Italy a baby couldn't be a resident, even if it was born there,
unless its parent(s) have residency. Likewise, it couldn't be a
citizen merely because it was born in Italy. It appears from what you
say that it works differently in the UK. I thought the US was one of a
very few countries to automatically give citizenship to anyone born
within its borders, even if only in transit.


>The problem appears to be one of documentation but I see no reason to
>not expect EU residency.

--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

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