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Subject: Re: Tipping in USA/Canada Posted on: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:01:46 +0000 (UTC)

Hagar wrote:
>
> "Greg Procter" wrote in message
> news:4741FB93.5376519E@ihug.co.nz...
> > DevilsPGD wrote:
> >>
> >> In message Col from Shell
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
> >> >staff a decent living wage.
> >>
> >> Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
> >> simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
> >> directly from the customer.
> >
> > Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
> > service.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg.P.
>
> That ignorant statement ever so typifies the sorry mental state of you
> engels.

I'm not an Engel.

> I have dined in Yurp, where the tip is included in the cost of the meal.
> The result was slovenly service, ill tempered waters, who take every request
> as an assault on their personal chat time with the other loafers/waiters.
>
> Here, we tip 20% for outstanding service & excellent food,

Isn't a restaurant in business to provide excellent food and service?

> 15% for passable
> service & passable food,

Why so much for something that should be provided?
That's precisely what restaurants are in business to provide.


> 10% even if the hired help has an attitude, as long
> as the meal is ok (why punish the cook) and nothing if the meal sucks and
> the waiters are surly.

So you're happy to pay extra to get bad service??? You must be
desperate.


>
> I realize the above process does involve a knowledge of basic math

Absolutely no problem there.

> and also
> a discerning palate,

I've had a (part)life-time of eating and I chose restaurants that would
appear to match my level of discerning palate.


> both of which are rarely encountered qualities in the
> land of the engels, innit ...

You are an undiscerning .wit who deliberately pays extra for
substandard service.

Restaurants offer a service, menu and prices for the experience - would
you tip your local bank clerk for substandard service?