In message <87k569pyuz.fld@apaflo.com>, Floyd L. Davidson
writes
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>Floyd L. Davidson writes:
>>
>>> Not until you put them together, and then it is indeed an
>>> Operating System.
>>
>>So it makes little sense to promote Linux alone vs. complete operating
>>systems.
>>
>>> RedHat,
>>> Novel, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Slackware, Debian, CentOS,
>>> Gentoo, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, DreamLinux, Elive, Mepus,
>>> Puppy, Slax, and a couple dozen others are in fact full
>>> fledge GNU/Linux Operationg System distributions.
>>
>>You illustrate my point. You've named fifteen and alluded to dozens of other
>>versions of "Linux" that are all different. There's absolutely no hope that
>>Linux or operating systems built with it will ever replace the desktop as long
>>as there are a hundred different versions floating around.
>>
>>And, of course, all the versions are effectively proprietary, because they are
>>all unique.
>
>Why work so hard to be obtuse?
>
>There is nothing that makes them "effectively
>proprietary", and clearly if they all use a Linux kernel
>and GNU toolset they are not "all unique".
Actually they are as are the VERY many version of the GNU tools.
There is a web site that list the top 100 (of over 1000) *DIFFERENT*
Linux distributions. There are almost as many *DIFFERENT* sets of GCC
tools
There was a recent report on how GCC compilers handled volatile and they
were all wrong but wrong in different ways. Also they are "proprietary"
as they have restrictive licenses to use them.
>>> Using your ridiculous arguments it could be said that
>>> neither the "UNIX" nor the "Windows" objects you listed
>>> are actually OS's. They are both a family of OS's, but
>>> neither term describes a specific OS any more (or less)
>>> than GNU/Linux does.
>>
>>Every version of UNIX or Windows runs complete in itself. Linux does not.
>
>Every single Linux distribution runs complete in itself.
>Yours statement is false on its face.
No... It is correct. Linux does need drivers and other things that may
or may not be in the package. Also you may need updates etc. Then again
the same is true to some extent for windows.
>There are bits and pieces from each UNIX or Windows that
>are unique to that particular version, or to one set of
>versions, and do not work with others. That is
>particularly significant with Windows because it is
>proprietary and one does not have open access to
>component parts.
It is not more restrictive on Windows as it is on Linux. Open access to
the parts is irrelevant in this case
>>There are indeed many versions of UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems, which
>>is one of its major disadvantages.
>
>That is one of the major advantages, in particular for
>Linux.
Actually it is a MAJOR disadvantage.
>>Windows is fairly limited in the number of
>>versions it has, and all of the current versions share the same code base,
>>with mainly features enabled or disabled within the code, or a handful of
>>modules present or not present. Mac is even more consistent.
>
>And you cannot find a version that precisely matches any
>number of special needs,
Such as?
>and instead must try to
>shoehorn onto place something not intended for the
>purpose served. And because component parts are not
>openly available it is literally impossible to mix and
>match.
CRAP. The MAJOR problem with Linux is that it comes with Religion
>But that is not the worst failing of the Microsopt
>model. How many completely new designs, virtually
>unrelated to the last set, has Microsoft produced?
Ditto Linux?
>It is only a matter of time until Microsoft also wakes
>up to the simple fact that it takes multiple years to
>develop and debug a kernel.
That also applies to Linux. BTW I have a SIL3 Kernel.. Actually I can
get 2 of them There is no way Linux can get anywhere near that. OTOH
Windows would not attempt it either.
> And Vista, as one example,
>will probably *never* be "fixed". Instead there will
>come a time when Microsoft also looks around and
>realizes that they cannot possibly compete with
>development of something like Linux or FreeBSD.
It is doing VERY well at the moment. Linux is only used by Geeks and
very few others.
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