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Subject: Re: Great non-western civ. places in Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Thai ?? Posted on: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:01:33 +0000 (UTC)

"I just don't want to see many Americans, no tours, no tour buses, no
westerner tour hotels, no 7-Elevens/Qwick trips/McDonalds', no bars or
beaches full of westerners ... basically I don't want to go to any
"Destinations"

In Southeast Asia, that will require getting very far off the beaten
track. As compared to most parts of the world, the region receives a
very large number of visitors in a fairly small area.

"...cross the border to Vientiane in Laos. Also in Thailand ... Chiang
Mai and the Full Moon Party on the island of Ko Pha-Ngan...Phenom Penh,
not too touristy. go to Ko Chang for beaches"

You will see a huge number of tourists in some of those places
(especially Chiang Mai and the Full Moon Party), and most of the others
you mention also have a moderate tourist presence.

Your best bet is probably either Myanmar (especially outside of its
three major destinations - Yangon, Mandalay, Bagan), northeast
Thailand, or one of the outer islands of Indonesia (check the security
situation before you go since there are sporadic conflicts on some of
the islands)

>From Rough Guides: "Bordered by Laos and Cambodia on three sides, the
tableland of northeast Thailand, known as Isaan, is the least-visited
region of the kingdom and the poorest, but also its most traditional."

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