netuser_axel@yahoo.com wrote:
>Rosalie B. wrote:
>> netuser_axel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >Rosalie B. wrote:
>> >> Linda Harms wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <1141045951.436383.147790@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >momofpeanutLiz@netscape.net says...
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think this is Joran's self-serving swipe at Twitty. I found this
>> >> >> interview with him very damning. His ability to blame the police, the
>> >> >> friends, and the victim are limitless. Then he took a couple of
>> >> >> gratuitous punches at Twitty - I find it hard to believe (and I think
>> >> >> she's been obnoxious) that "no one" on the whole island of Aruba likes
>> >> >> her.
>> >> >>
Well I don't like her - I think she has no class and is clueless, so I
could easily believe that other folks wouldn't like her either.
>> >> >Yep. Saying he lied because Twitty was angry. That's the sort of thing
>> >> >a sociopath does on a daily basis -- blame his dishonesty on others.
>> >>
>> >> Yes but it could be true. I know if someone came at me screaming and
>> >> blaming me for something I had not done, I would be inclined not to
>> >> help him or her at all.
>> >
>> >There's a BIG difference in "not helping", and blatantly lying in a
>> >missing persons case; it's called, "obstruction".
>>
That's just a legal definition, which may or may not apply in real
life.
>> Sometimes people react and say stuff without thinking.
>
>"Stuff" - Like deny meeting and having drinks with a missing girl in a
>casino, and driving off with her alone and two of your friends, to that
>missing girl's Mother AND local authorities; "without thinking"?
>Hardly.
I'm sure that he did think about some of it. I suspect that his
initial reaction was to try to deny everything in order to stay out of
trouble. I also suspect that he knows more than he is telling, and in
addition that he may actually have killed her. But lying and killing
are not necessarily congruent.
>Do you also contend that Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers also
>"weren't thinking" when they implicated two innocent Security Guards?
>
>> I've had students lie to me in school, and if they thought even a little bit
>> about it, they would know that I would know that they were lying.
>
>How many of your students were considered persons of interest in
>missing person's case? And how many of you think would lie about it?
>
It doesn't make any difference whether they were in a missing persons
case. That's just legal mumbo jumbo. They lied because they didn't
think that I was smart enough to figure it out.
If I thought that I would be jailed for something that I didn't do,
and didn't think that anyone would believe the truth, then I would at
least think about telling - if not a lie- at least only a partial
truth.
>> Sometimes children lie to avoid the consequences which they see
>> coming.
>
>"Children" maybe, but Joran is 17yo, Satish 18yo and Deepak 21yo -
>hardly a bunch of a "children".
>
That was just an example of people who might lie. And they were teens
which is to say they were half formed adults - not completely adult
yet.
>> Sometimes they lie to get other people in trouble (even
>> adults do this - for instance girls who lie about being .d in order
>> to get back at a guy. My daughter's roommate in college did this
>> because a boy wouldn't pay any attention to her.). Sometime people lie
>> because they are pretty sure no one would believe the truth and they
>> want to tell people what they want to hear.
>
>So Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoes all conspired to *lie* in order to
>hide the 'truth' because they felt that their 'lies', and 'not' the
>truth, were what the authorities "wanted to hear"? OMG.
>
Another example of people who might lie.
>
>> >> And I suspect she pissed off the police too.
>> >
>> >The Joran apologists are absolutly amazing.
>>
>> I'm not apologizing for him.
>
>Yes, you are - and not very well.
>
No I'm not. You can say that I am all you like, but I'm not. My
opinion is that Twitty was a twit, clueless and classless, and the
girl was a slut and drunk, and the boys were liars, and predators out
for a good time with a tourist. Enough blame to go around. What I
don't think is that it is a given that he killed her. She may be dead
- probably is dead. But I don't think that necessarily means that she
was murdered.
>> He was clearly acting like an adolescent male
>
>Hogwash - Unless ALL Aruban adolescent males tend to drive off with
>drunken young women who go missing then lie about it to authorities.
>Quite a place that Aruba.
>
I went to Aruba after the Holloway murder and observed some young men
(white and black) and what I observed is that they were pretty much
the same as most young men.
In the US there are many cases where a girl goes missing and later
turns up dead. In many of those cases it is an older man who is the
culprit. But you don't get a murder conviction by jailing someone
without any evidence except hearsay, or by telling them that they
ought to confess to give the parent 'closure' or any of the other
tactics that have been employed by the 'grief stricken' parent.
>> which is why wise parents keep a good watch over their daughters.
>
>Why would the Holloways *not* feel Aruba was a safe place for their
>daughter to vacation?
>
No reason - but I would want to know that she was appropriately
chaperoned.
>> I'm just not convinced that he has to be the one that killed her,
>
>Van Der Sloot doesn't "have to be" the one that killed her - he just
>happens to be.
>
>> and I think the jury is still out on whether she was actually killed.
>
>The Aruban and American authorities who switched tactics from searching
>for a missing person, to recovery of a (dead) body may disagree with
>you.
>
She's probably dead. Whether she was murdered is another thing.
>> It's not like the Scott Peterson case where they found the body.
>>
>> My BIL said he took his daughter and some of their friends to Aruba
>> when she graduated, and I made some remark about it and he said that
>> none of the girls gave him and my SIL any trouble at all.
>
>Lucky them - were your BIL/SIL with their daughter at all times?
>
I think they probably were with them much of the time and they were
THERE.
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