Well...I'm with you regarding people who smoke outside of the smoking area's
. Thats rude and inconsiderate . You seem to have a reasonable attitude
regarding taking a cruise on a smoking ship , although I'm not sure what you
mean by the burden and responsibility being put back on you . I think it IS
yours , mine , and everyone else's responsibility to consider all the facts
and make choices accordingly , and be prepared to live with those choices .
Not just on picking a cruise , but in life in general . There are always
trade offs , and this isn't really any different . I rarely find myself in a
perfect situation , but usually make the best choice for myself by weighing
the pro's and con's. So..if someone prefers the itinerary of a cruise on a
smoking ship , is it worth putting up with people smoking ? For those that
say it's not worth it , find another cruise on a ship better suited for you.
I don't think anyone , smokers or non smokers , have the right to expect to
have their cake , and eat it , too .
I think for most people , it's not much of a problem . I cruise with a large
group sometimes , with both smokers and non smokers , and I haven't seen
this be an issue with anyone . I'm sure most smokers would prefer to be able
to smoke ANYWHERE , and most non smokers would prefer that they smoked
NOWHERE , but everyone can accept the compromises most cruise lines have
adopted and we all are reasonably happy .
"John Sisker" wrote in message
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> Ray,
>
> I'm kind of with you. Both my wife Deborah and I don't smoke, and the
> second-hand smoke from smokers does bother us. However, we certainly don't
> want to take that right away from the smokers as long as they are in the
> designated or "smoking" areas.We certainly don't have a problem moving to
> an areas outside of even second-hand smoke influence. The problem does
> arise thought, that while one area may be smoking and another non-smoking,
> smoke doesn't recognize an imaginary line in a public room.
>
> Naturally, we can personally seek a ship that does not allow smoking, but
> that does at times become problematic, putting the burden and
> responsibility back on us, thus missing out on ships and/or destination
> that may be of interest to us. Yet, as said, most of the time, we have no
> problem simply seeking non-smoking areas on the ship.
>
> The problems does arise with smokers who just don't care, feeling their
> right to smoke supersedes the health and safety of others. As an example,
> we live close to (16 miles) the Disneyland Resort in California, and
> naturally go there all are the time with our annual passes. Both theme
> parks (Disneyland & Disney's California Adventure) has designated smoking
> area with smoking banned everywhere else within these parks. Yet, in spite
> of this, there are many smokers who will light up when and where they fell
> like it - totally oblivious or non-caring about anyone else. Disney has a
> polite approach when handling a situation such as this, reminding guests
> that there are actual designated smoking areas.
>
> On a cruise ship, personally I would not be so tolerant. If a smoker is
> violating any no-smoking in select area rules, upon the second warning,
> they would be asked to leave the ship at the next port. To me, if they
> can't follow the rules, why should the rest of us suffer?
>
> Yet, from an actual booking of clients aspects, this can be resolved by
> asking questions, along with the proper screening and right
> recommendations to clients to begin with.
>
> Happy sailing,
> John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm)
> (714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850)
> www.shiptoshorecruise.com
>
>
>
>
>
> "Ray Kloc" wrote in message
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>> This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a
>> gripe about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but
>> the non smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow
>> more smoking .
>>
>> What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a
>> Disney cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere
>> inside the ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney
>> cruise ,. and you would be right .
>>
>> What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
>> because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
>> should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be
>> able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to
>> tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably
>> say they were selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right .
>>
>> By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking
>> , and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty
>> foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and
>> then thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by
>> smoking , or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well .
>>
>> It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking
>> cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put
>> themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are
>> going to hate.
>>
>> I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about
>> second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else
>> that's offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's
>> really pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking
>> so much just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If
>> you DO choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies ,
>> or in the casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't
>> complain about it , as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all ,
>> the very people you are complaining about were smart enough to choose a
>> ship that allows them to smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to
>> ?
>>
>> By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that
>> are loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have
>> no problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area ,
>> and a senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if
>> it was outside.
>>
>>
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