Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:57:51 -0500, T Jr Hardman
> wrote:
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>>Dave Frightens Me wrote:
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>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:54:38 -0500, T Jr Hardman
>>> wrote:
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>>>>Dave Frightens Me wrote:
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>>>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:08:01 -0500, T Jr Hardman
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>That's frankly bizarre. The Maryland resort Ocean City has a large
>>>>>>hospitality industry which is effectively staffed by H-1B/H-2B workers,
>>>>>>mostly vacationing students from Eastern Europe. Romanians, Poles,
>>>>>>Ukrainians, etc., are well represented. They come here and work long
>>>>>>hours for pay far less than the average American would require for that
>>>>>>sort of work, get little benefits, and somehow manage to return home at
>>>>>>the end of the summer with the sort of savings on hand that one could
>>>>>>get in their homelands only with the best private-sector jobs.
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>>>>>Utter rubbish. Nothing of the sort happens.
>>>>
>>>>See the _Washington Post Magazine_ article of sometime last summer,
>>>>which I paraphrased. The phenomenon is also well-documented elsewhere.
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> Is the above what you were "holding forth"?
No, on your remark about hillbillies.
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>>>>I did make a mistake, ordinarily they work over the summer on the J1 visa:
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>>>>http://atbinternetgroup.com/studentguide/
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>>>>(Consider yourself called an ignorant .wit.)
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>>>
>>>May I quote you in saying:
>>>
>>>". you.
>>>
>>>Pointing me at a library, without any summary or argument, does not
>>>constitute a case.
>>>
>>>Hold forth upon your point, sir, or be considered to have had none."
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>>I did hold forth upon my point, and you snipped it, and appear to be
>>implying that I had none.
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> You did nothing of the sort.
Why, yes I did. Here it is:
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> Your audience is international here, so be careful. You are not
> talking to ignorant hillbillys from Maryland.
I'm hardly a hillbilly. We do have them, but mostly they're people who
moved here from West (by god) Virginia. Maryland's public schools are,
generally, some of the best in the nation. I attended Montgomery County
schools when they _were_ the best in the nation.
Maryland's District 19 is a suburb of the Nation's Capital. We have one
of the highest levels of persons with advanced degrees. We are the
nation's capital of genetic research, and just outside of District 19
(largely a bedroom district, with median home values of about a million
dollars) is NIH, Celera Genomics, a reseach annex of John's Hopkins
University, the TIGR research facility, a huge number of places whose
products simply cannot be discussed unless you want a lot of people from
across the river in McLean VA to track you down and kill everyone you
know. We also have one of the highest percentages of LEGAL immigrants,
who have on-average a higher level of education than the mean for
non-immigrants, which is slightly below an MS, MA, or MBA. Until quite
recently, the majority of people hereabouts worked either for the
government, or for one of the many research facilities or contractors to
the Federal defense and research establishments. The University of
Maryland, right up the road, is the world's largest university. We're
probably more international than you are, even if you're a Greenland
Eskimo with an Oxford degree residing in Pago Pago with bank accounts in
the Bahamas and Switzerland. I don't even have to leave my neighborhood
to hear 10 languages in five minutes of casual passersby conversations,
and I live in the suburbs. A 15-minute subway ride will land me at the
foot of Capitol Hill and the multilingual scene becomes even more complex.
If you want to slag on Baltimore, feel free. If you want to joke about
the people out in the Panhandle, feel free. If you want to joke about us
in Montgomery County, feel free, but try to have the slightest goddamn
clue whereof you speak, unless you'd like to make more of an ass out of
yourself than already you've done.
> You quoted nothing specific and resorted
> to calling me an "ignorant .wit". I haven't resorted to
> reciprocating, you may have noticed.
Calling my fellow Marylanders -- and presumably myself -- "ignorant
hillbillies" amounts to the same.
I pointed you to a quick and easy reference for you to verify my
contention. If your point is that I should have quoted from it, that
might be a useful point to make if made as such. As it is, you seem
quite anxious to steer the conversation elsewhere.
>>You did, however, leave in the evidence of me providing a cite to back
>>up my claim. How polite of you.
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> I am not polite, and don't care to be.
Then expect to be called an ignorant .wit with some frequency. Or
perhaps merely a .wit.
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A true Conservative isn't about to let
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