Darius.Jedberg@gmail.com schreef:
> chinchillakilla wrote:
> > Darius.Jedberg@gmail.com schreef:
> >
> > > chinchillakilla wrote:
> > >
> > > > Darius.Jedberg@gmail.com schreef:
> > > >
> > > > > chinchillakilla wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Darius.Jedberg@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Magda wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:52:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin arranged
> > > > > > > > some electrons, so they looked like this:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:11 +0100, Magda wrote:
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > ... >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "Michael"
> > > > > > > > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> > > > > > > > ... >
> > > > > > > > ... > ...
> > > > > > > > ... > ... It's called democracy. The inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands want
> > > > > > > > ... > ... to remain British colonies, and therefore they should be able to.
> > > > > > > > ... >
> > > > > > > > ... >Says you...
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > ... Says both populations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's how many, 12 people all in all?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 30 thousand in the case of Gibraltar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But the number would be irrelvant, it is a question of democracy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oh really.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/offshore/more/tax_havens_in_the_uk/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gibraltar - Although Gibraltar is physically located in Spain it is an
> > > > > > offshore tax haven of the UK. It is self governing but remains a
> > > > > > dependent territory of Great Britain and is actually one of the oldest
> > > > > > of Britain's dependent territories to have gained offshore status.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Gibraltar there are no capital gains taxes, wealth taxes, sales
> > > > > > taxes or VAT but there is income tax, withholding tax, stamp duty,
> > > > > > property tax, estate tax and import duty and unless an individual
> > > > > > resident in Gibraltar has gained High Net Worth Individual or Expat
> > > > > > Executive status his taxes are likely to be quite high. The offshore
> > > > > > advantages Gibraltar has to offer are limited to certain company
> > > > > > structures.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [I'm not sure whether a website that someone has thrown together to
> > > > > make some money from Google ads can be considered the best of sources -
> > > > > especially when the authors of such sites typically lift the content
> > > > > from elsewhere and recklessly edit it just enough to avoid being
> > > > > detected.]
> > > > >
> > > > > But anyway:
> > > > >
> > > > > What reference has tax structure got to demcracy????
> > > > > (Please answer that one.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, back to your silly quote:
> > > > > "Although Gibraltar is physically located in Spain"
> > > > > I'm sure the people of Portugal would be delighted to read that they to
> > > > > must be 'in' spain.
> > > > > "it is an offshore tax haven of the UK"
> > > > > Lets consider this popular phrase attachment in a minute.
> > > > > "it is self governing but remains a dependent territory of Great
> > > > > Britain"
> > > > > It's not a dependent teritory, UK legislation formal acknowledges this.
> > > > > It is self sufficient, the term is overseas teritory.
> > > > > "and is actually one of the oldest of Britain's dependent territories
> > > > > to have gained offshore status."
> > > > > Erm, this is meaningless. Perhaps it would be better to say: It is not
> > > > > part of the UK, and has an independent economy. For geographical
> > > > > reasons it has been a trading centre for centuries.
> > > > > "In Gibraltar there are no capital gains taxes, wealth taxes, sales
> > > > > taxes or VAT"
> > > > > Lots of places don't have sales taxes or VAT, etc. There is no
> > > > > requirment for them economically. Also with the cost of goods higher
> > > > > due to lack of ecnomy of scale of the shops, prices are comparable, VAT
> > > > > would be a hinderance. Enough revenue is generated for the government
> > > > > by general taxation.
> > > > > "but there is income tax, withholding tax, stamp duty, property tax,
> > > > > estate tax and import duty and unless an individual resident in
> > > > > Gibraltar has gained High Net Worth Individual or Expat Executive
> > > > > status his taxes are likely to be quite high."
> > > > > Accurate, in generral terms.
> > > > > "The offshore advantages Gibraltar has to offer are limited to certain
> > > > > company structures."
> > > > > Gibraltar is not offshore as far as the EU is concerned. It might be
> > > > > (just as the UK might be) for a given other country depending on the
> > > > > treatys that exist between them.
> > > > > It does try to be an efficient jurisdiction. Why this should be seen as
> > > > > bad escapes me.
> > > >
> > > > its just an excuse to escape tax for some rich people, how much do
> > > > these people contribute to th UK economy ??
> > >
> > > Erm, they are totally separte econnomies! - You do know that don't you?
> > >
> > > Its like saying how much do the people of France contribute to the UK
> > > economy!
> > >
> > > The public spending in Gibraltar, be it health, roads, schools or
> > > whatever is paid for by the people of Gibraltar - the Goverrment of
> > > Gibraltar raising its money from taxation.
> > >
> > > The public spending in the UK, hosptials, roads, schools, is paid for
> > > by the people of the UK, the UK government raising its money similarly
> > > from taxation.
> > >
> > > And like wise in France.
> > >
> > > Now, if someone from Gibraltar should recieve, say, specialist health
> > > care in an NHS hosptial in the UK, then this is provided by the UK (or
> > > France or wherever) at full comercial rates - a bill is sent to the
> > > Gibraltar Health Authority who pay it.
> > > Exactly the same as a UK person who recieves specialised care in the
> > > France, etc, etc.
> > >
> > > Now, if someone chooses to move to Gibraltar, and become resident here
> > > they will become liable for taxation in Gibraltar. Just the same as if
> > > they moved to austrailia. They will then no longer be a burden on the
> > > UK economy, so why should they contribute to it??? The only think I can
> > > think of would if they were to recieve specialised health care in the
> > > UK, but the Gib govt pays for this, at full comerical rates.
> >
> > so why do they need the UK then ?
>
>
> They don't need the UK.
.....cut them loose then......
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