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Subject: Re: the third world - Heathrow airport Posted on: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:50:10 +0100

Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

> >>>> This was transiting from Edinburgh to Istanbul before Xmas, and going
> >>>> back after New Year.
> >>> Then if you'd bought liquids (water to wine) in the shops at Schipol,
> >>> and kept them in the sealed bag, they wouldn't have been taken off
> >>> passengers going through the gate.
> >> Nobody got anything vaguely liquid through, no matter how it was
> >> packaged.
> > It's not the packaging- it's the fact it's bought and _sealed_ in the
> > Schipol shops.
>
> A sealed bag is packaging. Nobody got one through.
>
>
> >> Everything from pots of jam to my girlfriend's tube of
> >> aloe vera gel went in the bin.
> > Maybe you didn't read what I wrote above- you were certainly able to buy
> > liquids at the shops in the airport and take them on flights. They were
> > heat-sealed by people in the shops.
>
> Maybe you didn't read the word "anything" in what I wrote above.
> Nothing like that was accepted.

Unless you saw someone having such a bag (i.e. sealed Schipol shopping
bag) rejected, how on earth do you know? You're talking about people
having pots of jam and hand gels. Liquids bought in the shops were being
accepted onto the flights then, as they are now. If you saw someone
having a sealed schipol shopping bag thrown out, that would have been
intersting, but I wouldn't have believed it, and nor would the shoppers,
as there were clear signs in the shops there that they would be able to
buy such items and take them on board.

> > I don't quite understand how your girlfriend got to the _gate_ with the
> > aloe vera gel- it should have been taken at the first security check.
>
> There *was* no prior security check, we went straight from an arrival
> gate to a departure one.

I'm talking about the security check when you first entered an airport-
presumably not at AMS. They were being lax if they didn't notice it. I
just got stopped at Lisbon because I accidently placed a 200ml bottle of
sun block in my carry on, and had it confiscated. It set something off.

> Medications for use in-flight were supposed to be exempt. And the rules
> don't say they have to be prescription (OTC aloe vera was more effective
> for her skin condition than anything else).

You could have taken a 100ml container or less of aloe vera (not hard to
find) in a sealed bag, and it would have gone through fine.

> It had already been accepted
> at the Istanbul security checks (which in other ways were tighter, this
> was not long after their cargo terminal had been burned out).

The hand luggage laws at Schipol are EEA-wide. I have no idea

> The guards
> were just being arseholes. And obviously having an absolute ball doing it.

If it was a container of 100ml or less in a sealed plastic bag, then
they were being arseholes, and I would have complained. If it was larger
than that, or not in a bag, then you should have read the rules. They
were easy to find, and certainly talked about on this newsgroup.

The rules was implemented in early November 2006- it's clear as a bell
if you read it:

dbagage.jsp?PORTLET%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198674618878&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=
1408474395729236&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395729234&VIRTUAL_TEMPLAT
E%3C%3Evt_id=10134198673763216&bmUID=1178754013649>

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