On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:23:56 +0200, Magda wrote:
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:01:39 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:58:17 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> ... chancellor (*)) wrote:
> ...
> ... >B Vaughan wrote:
> ... >
> ... >> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:02:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> ... >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> ... >>
> ... >> >> >"...then (in the 50s) it was filled with dark little shops selling
> ... >> >> >oil, wine and olives and formidable-looking corsets to peasant women
> ... >> >> >with long black dresses. Donkeys were the main traffic. It was
> ... >> >> >intensely Spanish. Now, it could be just about anywhere. The shops
> ... >> >> >have that international chic I associate with boutiques in big
> ... >> >> >international airports.
> ... >> >>
> ... >> >> Should peasant women have to continue to wear formidable corsets in
> ... >> >> 40 degree weather, world without end, Amen, so that British traveller
> ... >> >> writers can get some great photos? Or is this lament just fuel for a
> ... >> >> sneer at those who never saw it all when it was worth seeing?
> ... >> >
> ... >> >He was saying neither of those things. I'm mildly surprised that you
> ... >> >took that attitude towards it- it seemed like a perfectly fair article
> ... >> >to me.
> ... >>
> ... >> You certainly get the feeling that he mourns the passing of the
> ... >> corsets and the black dresses.
> ... >
> ... >Hm.. even then, not quite. Remember that he's there quoting what he said
> ... >when I was just born! As I read it, the point he was making was that it
> ... >had changed _then_ and continues to do so now. Yes, he claims "I was
> ... >lucky, I knew her at her best." Well, it's hard to disagree with that,
> ... >in that most of us probably like places where no one else is, and mile
> ... >after mile of unadulterated coastline is more attractive than when it is
> ... >built up with hotels.
> ... >
> ... >> What on earth do they have to do with
> ... >> the ruining of the Mediterranean?
> ... >
> ... >I think the point, as I read it, was that places like Torremolinos which
> ... >had previously been "intensely Spanish" had then become like "about
> ... >anywhere" and that the resultant changes lead to a problem. I don't
> ... >think he was saying that women in black dresses maintained the
> ... >environment, just that they were around in a time when less people were.
> ... >
> ... >> I can see where I live that some of
> ... >> the quainter old types are the ones who are throwing plastic bags in
> ... >> the ditches and burning trash, and it's skinny young women with their
> ... >> belly buttons bared who are recycling.
> ... >
> ... >It's hilarious that you write this now! Yesterday morning, we took the
> ... >bus from Dorgali to Nouro, and at a stop before the last, a 'quaint' old
> ... >woman, in _black_, got off the bus, and as she walked away ripped her
> ... >tickets into bits and desposited it on the grass in a small park-
> ... >despite a bin being right next to her. It was then, that I wondered if
> ... >the abundant trash that I noticed in so many places we went on the
> ... >island weren't actually down to tourists or careless youths...
> ...
> ... In Italy it is definitely the locals who dump there rubbish on the grass verges
> ... and on lay byes just as it is in UK.
>
>Their.
There, there :)
--
Martin
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