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Subject: Re: Kiev, Ukraine Posted on: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 03:00:43 +0100


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> On 5 Sep, 05:40, VainGlorious
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:13:54 -0700, benrobertsm...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >Hello All,
>>
>> >I shall be visiting Kiev, Ukraine to watch a UEFA Champions League
>> >match between Dynamo Kiev and Manchester United on a midweek somwhere
>> >between September and December (the draw has only just been announced
>> >so i cannot give a clear date at the moment except that it will be
>> >midweek and for around 2-3 days) and i was wondering if anybody could
>> >help answer a few of my questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> >4) Do the Kiev fans have any notorious hooligans or ultras that attend
>> >games?
>>
>> As you may recall, in 2006 about 300 Kiev supporters beat the crap out
>> of a large crowd of Scottish fans in Independence Square. I dug deeper
>> into this story and discovered that the 400-500 Scots were being loud
>> and drunk, singing their team songs at the top of their lungs and
>> being less than respectful of their host city. By all accounts, the
>> local population was unimpressed but not violent. The Scots went
>> largely ignored. It was the local skinheads who, after lengthy
>> consideration, decided that enough was enough and resorted to
>> fisticuffs to humble the irritating Scots. Not all these skinheads
>> were football supporters. Many were Ukrainian nationalists who didn't
>> take kindly to having their country's name belittled by drunken
>> foreigners.
>>
>> (Any Kyiv locals who know more about this event than me are certainly
>> encouraged to correct me).
>>
>> My advice: go see the match, but save the attitude for the stands.
>>
>> - TR
>> - a student of European and British football hooliganism.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>

Quite possibly.