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Subject: Re: Driving in Germany Posted on: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:54:47 BST

Markku Grönroos [M] and Richard J. [R] wrote:

R>>>>>>> Maybe that's true now [that clutch bearing wear is not an
>>>>>>>> issue], but it was a concern with older vehicles, and probably
>>>>>>>> influenced the original design of the traffic light sequence.

M>>>>>> There has not been such an influence

R>>>>> So why is there an amber or red-and-amber phase (not sure which
it
>>>>>> is in Germany) before the green?

M>>>> Obviously to indicate that light is about to turn green.

R>>> Yes, but why is that useful? ... There must have been a reason for
>>>> German traffic light designers to introduce the extra phase, and
>>>> you
>>>> have denied one plausible reason, so what is the real reason?

M>> You can always go and ask the engineers and legislators why. ... The
>>> design of the traffic lights have nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>> design of the gear boxes. Such an idea is absurd.

R> On the contrary, it seems to be a plausible reason to me. What I
>> would regard as absurd would be if you had authoritative knowledge
>> that this wasn't the reason for the red-and-amber phase, but had
>> no knowledge of the real reason for that phase. So I ask again and
>> for the last time, what is the real reason for inserting this phase?

M> I am certain few people mind what you find plausible. However, the
> design of the traffic lights have nothing to do with the design of
> the gear boxes. The real reason is to indicate that lights are
> about to turn to green. This is something almost everyone knows.

No, that's what the red-and-amber phase *means* to the drivers, but it's
not the *reason* why it's included in the sequence. But you seem more
concerned with continuing your circular argument than answering my
question. Goodbye, troll.

Plonk

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