k wrote:
> "John Doh" wrote in message
> news:1143003210.132488.85090@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > k wrote:
> >> "John Doh" wrote in message
> >> news:1142985776.376818.187270@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > So, any way, is this just a dumb dream?
> >>
> >> Lots of Americans move to/retire to Mexico. Divide amounts listed in
> >> pesos
> >> by 10 and you will be close to the dollar amount. A place that is 600
> >> pesos
> >> a night in high season quickly gets cheaper based on the length of the
> >> stay.
> >
> > $60 US.
> > About typical for a lower motel in the US.
> > I could handle that for a nice little vacation to look things over.
>
> If you look back at that original posting, the 600mxp rate was for short
> term. It dropped off quickly after the first week, ending at 350mxp for a
> month.
Even better.
But I likely would not stay that long.
But then, $1050 a month for a clean, safe, room with all utilities paid
sounds pretty good for a nice little vacation.
And I think it was close to the sea too.
Hummm.
Looking better all the time.
> >
> >> If you're thinking permanent residence, then look for an apartment or a
> >> house to rent.
> >>
> >
> > That was what I was thinking as a second move, after enough visits that
> > I decided that I liked it there.
> >
> >> Like any nation, there are many parts to Mexico. While it may be true
> >> that
> >> some people live on $25 per week, that's certainly not the case
> >> everywhere,
> >> and you surely can't plan on it. That said, your money will go further
> >> in
> >> Mexico than it will most places in the States.
> >>
> >
> > Should I plan to try and stay away form the lower income areas?
> > As in, they would likely be more dangerous to a foreigner?
> > Or are they just not as nice and more primitive?
>
> The lower income areas can be anywhere, from pockets of poverty in the big
> cities to rural areas where cash isn't king. There are fishing villages
> everywhere along the coast where dollars aren't very evident, but which are
> perfectly serene and beautiful. The same can be said for the mountains, the
> canyons and even the desert. Low income doesn't necessarily equate to poor
> if you're self-sufficient, but you still contribute to those averages.
> Desperation finds people who can't meet their own needs, and that's a
> serious problem in Mexico.
>
> Perfectly healthy people, willing to work hard, can't find jobs that will
> pay them, so they look North in huge numbers, and turn to illicit activities
> in smaller numbers. Mexico isn't a poor country, and there is an emerging
> middle class, but the bulk of the money is still in the hands of a relative
> few.
>
> So no, poor areas are not necessarily undesirable or unsafe. Like anywhere,
> nature provides for a lot of Mexicans, and they manage to stay healthy,
> happy and occupied living with what they have.
Hell, that sounds like home to me.
I live in Oklahoma, and have relation in Arkansas USA.
There are plenty of places around here that sound just like that.
>
> And stop worrying about crime. Mexico has it's share of criminals both
> professional and petty. There are a million anecdotal reports of certain
> crimes floating around, and a lot of them have floated around for many
> years, and are re-reported like they happened yesterday to somebody's
> uncle's friend's boss.
I kind of suspected that, from my few visits at border towns.
Many swore that I would never come back alive.
But my visit across from Negales was far nicer then my visit to some
places in Arkansas that I have been.
>
> > You will learn some Spanish by osmosis if you stay long enough, but take
> >> some serious lessons if you want to live there.
> >
> > Yes, planing to actually take some lessons if a visit or two looks
> > promising.
> > Just that I am not good at that sort of thing, and did not want to go
> > threw all that trouble and then not actually use it.
> >
> >>Actually, a learning
> >> vacation might give you just the introduction to the society and culture
> >> that you need to make up your mind. Mexico is on our short-list of
> >> places
> >> to retire to, right along with Costa Rica and South Carolina.
> >>
> >
> > Can you suggest some towns that are not the high income types, yet are
> > friendly to Americans?
> >
> There are entire coastal areas like you describe. Look to the beach towns
> just north of Nuevo Vallarta and you'll find a bunch. If you like the
> mountains and a cowboy atmosphere, then Creel might be a place you'd like.
> Mexicans are generally friendly to everyone except boors and cheats, so if
> you're polite, honest and genuinely friendly, you'll be happy.
Ahhhhh.
Friendly villages by the sea.
Oh wow!
I got to get my vacation money in line. :-)
>
> >> I don't think your idea of finding a teenager to locate a woman for you
> >> has
> >> a lot of merit.
> >
> > Whoa there, that is not what I meant.
> > I was thinking that kids now days are more likely to be bilingual, so
> > they would know English and be able to translate for me.
> > I was not planing on them to be anything more then a translator and
> > guide.
> > They would know there way around town, and would likely be cheeper to
> > get to hang out with me and translate for me then some older
> > professional guide.
> >
> >>Bring your own gal or find someone when you get there.
> >> That idea is actually kind of bizarre now that I think about it.
> >>
> >
> > Ya, looking back at how I wrote it, it did look different then I was
> > thinking it. :-)
>
> English is widely spoken in the resort areas, less so in the big cities, and
> way less in rural areas. That said, there will always be someone nearby who
> will understand you. I don't know that you'll find many kids who can hold a
> conversation with you in English, but I could be wrong. They do learn some
> English in school, but not a heckuva lot.
Eh, to much movies for my information.
Raiders of the Lost ark and such.
Likely a dumb idea.
Still, I would like to hire a guide if I could cheaply.
Any idea what I would expect to pay to get some unemployed person (that
knew enough English to communicate with me) to hang out with me and
help me find my way around?
> >
> >> When you get more serious, google for information on living there. This
> >> is
> >> a travel newsgroup and not really geared toward relocation.
> >>
> >> good luck,
> >> Keith
> >> >
> >
> > Well, I am going to have to travel there first.
> > So I am not totally off topic. ;-)
>
> I didn't say you were off topic, just that when you are serious about
> moving, there are better resources than a travel group. There are ex-pats
> all over Mexico, and a large number of websites that deal with specific
> areas that are of interest to folks like you. That's where you'll get the
> real skinny on moving there.
>
> Keith
Ex-pats?
Duuuu, what's that?
> >
> > Thanks for your information.
> >
>
> Welcome. Just go and have fun.
Again, thanks.
You have been a wealth of help to me.
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