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> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:03:38 GMT, "Ramboi" <@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >> At any rate, by applying this to U.S. citizens, Brazil is
> >> effectively targeting more than 80% of the tourists from countries that
> >> require a visa from Brazilian citizens
> >
> >I am not sure about your 80% rate. If you could kindly show me
Brazilian's
> >statistic of tourists, I would believe it.
Fair enough.
Go to
http://www.embratur.gov.br/conteudo/ver.asp?conteudoId=102&id=166
and click over "Anuário Estatístico da Embratur 2003" (Requires acrobat
reader, link on page).
On page 19, you will find the total number of foreign tourists in Brazil
during 2002 and 2001, discriminated by country of permanent residence.
South, Central Americans plus Mexico and Europeans countries added together
corresponded to (rounding errors do not hurt the argument) 76% of the total
number in 2002. The figure went down from 81% in 2001, showing that the
impact of Argentinian crisis over tourism in Brazil.
None of these countries require a visa from Brazilian citizens. Mexico is a
bit of an odd horse because it does ask for a "Migration Application", which
seems to be akin to the defunct "visa waiver" programme that the U.S. had
with Argentina and Uruguay until last year. Skimming the net, I could find
basically these countries that do require a visa from Brazilian citizens to
enter them as tourists: U.S., Canada, Czech Republic, India, Egypt, Japan,
Australia, Cuba and Hungary (not sure about Czech and Hungary though, Poland
used to ask visas for Brazilians but now they aligned with Schengen. I'd
expect most of the E.U. wannabes to follow suit.) They add up to 765,915
tourists in Brazil in 2002. From those, 636,460 were U.S. residents. That is
83% of the total. Curious is that the percentage was exactly the same in
2001.
> >I think this number maybe
> >exaggerated. I visited Brazil quote often and I notice at the Brazilian
> >international airport foreigners from all over the world. European and
USA
> >are perhaps the biggest customers. My got feeling is, the tourists from
US
> >maybe like 40 - 45%.
That is the problem of "gut" feelings: they are often taken from anecdotical
experiences and may or may not reflect the whole picture. In your case, you
may miss the fact that a large percentage of the Europeans and South
Americans arrive to Brazil through the North/Northeast, and that you miss
all the tourists arriving to Brazil via maritime and terrestrial means.
> Hey, Bruno, tell us more about your "got" feeling, K?
> >>
I haven't got any, really. I personally think this measure will have little
effect in averting any terrorist threat, and I am pretty sure the department
of homeland security knows that. But I have stated this before. Personally,
I do not envision going to the U.S. for leisure ever in my life, and if I am
lucky not even for work in the near future, so the measure will not affect
me. Knowing that most Brazilians have anedoctical horror stories about the
U.S. immigration officers' lack of tact with their friends or relatives, I
can understand why more than 80% of the Brazilians approve of this
resolution. Since there is also a jurisdictional procedure to follow -- the
"dreaded" reciprocity -- the Brazilian government is just heeding to its
people's opinion about one subject. Nothing more than its democratic duty.
B.
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