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Subject: Re: Co-pilot error caused AA 587 crash Posted on: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:07:28 -0400

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
news:41830E81.E53EE1BC@hotmail.com...
> John Mazor wrote:
>
> > "Sylvia Else" wrote in message
> > news:4182181d$0$25053$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > >
> > > I wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's probably not just a problem in aviation. There are things that
seem
> > > > so blindingly obvious to engineers that it's difficult for them to
> > > > conceive the notion that a non-engineer might not recognise the
truth.
> > >
> > > Alaska Airlines Flight 261 might be an example. You have a flight
> > > control system element that's jammed for no apparent reason.
> > >
> > > Therefore you have no idea what it might do if you mess with it, so if
> > > you can land with it in its current state, then leave the damned thing
> > > alone, and land.
> >
> > Apples and oranges. The crew and the mechanics on the ground thought
they
> > were dealing with a trim problem, a relatively benign condition. And
even
> > if they had done nothing, the mechanism probably would have failed
before
> > they could land, anyway.
> >
> > There were no engineers before the fact saying "Oh, yeah, we know that
if
> > you get those symptoms, it's not a trim problem, the screw threads are
about
> > to strip and fail."
> >
> > However, 261 did have some precursor events that make you want to mutter
> > "don't these engineers and airlines ever talk to each other or apply
common
> > sense?"
>
> Didn't one Alaskan Capt refuse to fly that plane ?

I have to plead CRS on that point.