"Greg Mossman" wrote in message
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> "Marior" wrote in message
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> >> Only naive tourists like you get themselves robbed and murdered.
> >
> > My but you have such pent up anger. You hate tourists? Thats it right?
>
> Nope, just naive tourists like you and the rest of the cruisers. When you
> leave the safety and seclusion of your all-inclusive or you get off the
> boat, you impinge on the rest of us.
Let me know how to do some more impinging... anything other than dark socks?
>
> > Understood. I use precaution wherever I go.
>
> Then you'd have no problem visiting the 'wilds' of Mexico or most other
> places.
Statistically, thats highly probable. I could go to Columbia for vacation
and have a astronomically high probability of getting out. That said some
places are still just riskier than others.
>
> > 1st I never cross posted it and its a long thread and i'm not quite sure
> > who
> > did. I didn't note that it was cross posted at all and sorry for that.
>
> Apology accepted.
knew you'd say that.
>
> > Afraid? so tell me do you go to say Iraq as a tourist just because
you're
> > not afraid? Where exactly do YOU draw the line.
>
> That's a tough question. Countries at war are usually to be avoided.
> That's probably where I'd draw the line. Small insurgencies don't bother
> me. It has to be real war.
heh, we have decidedly different takes on the stay away levels... now I'm
kinda wondering whether say Columbia, Indonesia, have any decent dive ops
you've frequented?
>
> > While the above sounds like a good time to you and you're understating
the
> > risk its not exactly my thing and I personally prefer to go to Hawaii so
> > no
> > one sticks a gun in my face and its certainly worked so far. I'll pick
my
> > preference and you pick yours... sounds fair.
>
> Why am I understating the risk? I feel a lot safer (and probably am)
> walking the streets of a little town in Mexico at night than I would in
> Compton (a 45 minute drive from home)
On this one it turns out you're right.
>or even Waikiki
Nah, its relatively safe, certainly safer than mexico
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#world
Turns out Honolulu is the safest city in America in regards to the stat I'm
most concerned about. Homicide. Hawaii as a state is also about as
*murderous* as Iowa, New Hampshire, and Idaho. Exactly what I figured. This
is highly consistent with my view on Hawaii feeling like a relatively safe
place Greg. Any rebuttal?
Mexico on the other hand is pretty much where I figured it would be in 6th
place worldwide in a category where Columbia appears to have it all wrapped
up. From this it can be inferred that theres only 5 worse places than Mexico
to go to in the globe from a chiefly safety perspective in the world. But
wait, it gets worse!
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/cri_mur_cap&int=-1
This above link again has Mexico again in the running in 6th place in
homicide but click on mexico for more...
hmmmm seems they also have some problems with assault, kidnappings,
firearms, .s, and manslaughter (I'd assume some of that numero uno ranked
in the world stat is due to vehicular but....)
Click on manslaughter for how well Mexico is doing in that stat. Clear world
beaters, yep. I'd certainly wonder myself whether any of those were
possibly homicides but irregardless Homicide and manslaughter both basically
amount to: *somebodys dead* and in Mexico often for highly suspicious
reasons. My point is throw in manslaughter and Mexico offers up probably
the most likely chance anywhere in the world of ending up getting yourself
killed.
Greg, given some of this please explain where, how, I was wrong before.
what with all the
> drugs and hookers walking around. You may prefer to expose your family to
> drugs and hookers instead of the Catholic values of a small picturesque
> Mexican village. That's fair.
Until this point I was taking you somewhat seriously but its clear you've
been pulling my leg... For the sake of your argument I'd certainly hope
thats what you were doing. You can just say yes.... Mexico? Prostitution?
Picturesque? The very many prostitutes there are certainly not picturesque,
and although they may be catholic, I'm not sure how it all jives with the
local bishop, but they are all out there. Lots of hail mary contrition going
on apparently. Hard to get any #'s for this stat in Mexico cuz prostitution
there is essentially LEGAL!.
>
> > For the record I abhor all inclusives which you would gather if you
> > actually
> > read the posts to which you're vehemently replying to so save your
pulpit
> > lecture.
>
> You brought them up, telling us how safe and exciting they are.
>
> > Agreed.
>
> That's a change. Good. I'll add that to your apology. We're getting
> somewhere finally.
Your response to this post will be more telling I suspect.
>
> > You know, I specifically said: "pretty much every region" because I was
> > already aware of the specific exclusions and your expected response and
> > you
> > do it anyway........ You do love to argue don't you Greg!
>
> I no longer get paid for it so it's a hobby.
You're a Lawyer? (analyzing relative risk of asking this;))
>
> But the fact is, there are only a few areas of Mexico where you'd want to
> avoid or at least take precautions. Mexico City has declined over the
past
> years, yet I'd still risk it in a heartbeat. That and remote areas of a
few
> southern states which host local rebellions and perhaps the drug corridor
> through Sinaloa are the only areas to stay out of if you want to ensure a
> safe trip. You exaggerate the risks.
Only in response to your whaddya mean Mexico is WAY safer than Hawaii
initial silly premise.
You're much more likely to die hiking
> around Hawaii then suffer much more than a stomach bug because your weak
> Canadian stomach can't handle the salsa. Do you know how many tourists
get
> injured or killed hiking around Hawaii?
Plenty I'd bet. but its a risk I'll take.... hiking is clearly my drug of
choice. A landslide or maybe concealed lavatube or whatever can happen in
certain locations but other than that I'm sure footed enough not to take the
quick elevator down the cliff.
>
> > Let me guess again. Do you hate tourists Greg?
>
> The shorts-with-dark-socks wearing kind? The kind that pile out of large
> buses? Uh, yeah.
The dark socks thing I'll have to remember to work on more. The piling out
of tour buses?? Not a chance bud!
>
> > No
>
> Wuss.
>
> > and thats your rating scale? drives? LOL!... hiked/biked haleakala all
> > the
> > way back to Hana need not apply? how about entire Napali coast trail
hike
> > in Kauai? any other hikes qualify?
>
> Anyone can walk, except for cripples and those with no legs. Bicycles are
> for schoolchildren,
to prove I'm not a famous cross poster by intent this hasn't been directed
to alt.rec.cycling...
though I did succumb to the ultra-touristy ride down
> Haleakala. Real men drive.
>
> But I am surprised you risked your family's life by hiking and (shudder)
> biking around Hawaii. That's crazy. I didn't realize I was dealing with
a
> lunatic. No wonder you're not very responsive.
Heh, cycling here is no picnic either and point taken. Risk in everything
and lots in cycling.
>
> > Now Greg, tell me whether you just specifically toured those routes so
> > that
> > you could mentally yet again extricate yourself from some form of
> > association with all those tourists that you despise so much and yet in
> > reality you are one and quite chronic from the sounds of it. One day
> > you'll
> > have shorts and dark socks on. But no, you're somehow different from
> > all
> > the others, right, I can't forget that...
>
> I will never wear shorts with dark socks. Old men wearing shorts and
white
> socks look cool, especially with a cool hat.
Maybe you think you will look cool then but.......
>
> > Have fun, and give other people just a bit of a break and maybe you'd
have
> > even more.
>
> I'm in a better mood when I'm on the road. Unfortunately it's 21 more
days
> before I leave to explore the swamps and the dangerous underbelly of the
Big
> Easy outside of the confines of an all-inclusive. I might get bitten by
an
> alligator or have my drink spiked by a mean Cajun, but it's a risk I'm
> willing to take.
understood, have fun. ;) I mean it!
cheers
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