"Marior" wrote in message
news:RVbLd.222231$8l.208540@pd7tw1no...
>> Nope, just naive tourists like you and the rest of the cruisers. When
>> you
>> leave the safety and seclusion of your all-inclusive or you get off the
>> boat, you impinge on the rest of us.
>
> Let me know how to do some more impinging... anything other than dark
> socks?
Crowding the sidewalks really pisses me off. Actually any sort of tourist
crowding pisses me off. Stop the damn crowding. If I want to be crowded
I'll travel to Asia.
> Statistically, thats highly probable. I could go to Columbia for vacation
> and have a astronomically high probability of getting out. That said some
> places are still just riskier than others.
As are some actions, like bicycling.
>> Apology accepted.
>
> knew you'd say that.
I could have rejected your apology but I was trying to show you what a nice
guy I really am.
> heh, we have decidedly different takes on the stay away levels... now I'm
> kinda wondering whether say Columbia, Indonesia, have any decent dive ops
> you've frequented?
Indonesia? Heck yeah, but I haven't made it over there yet. That's for
next year. In 2004 I merely braved the terrorism and tsunamis of southern
Thailand and drove cross-country (no bicycles for me) and walked around the
streets of Quito, Ecuador late at night where the submachinegun-carrying
police also have Rottweilers on chains that growl and lunge at you as you
pass by. Also a trip to the dangerous jungles of Los Cabos, MX where I
actually drove there too, risking bandits and insurgents to dive up at Cabo
Pulmo, a 2-hour drive away. I did get lost on the way back, turning the
wrong way at the junction town of La Ribera, and when a sinister little
school pointed out the way it turned out to be the wrong way. I could have
been killed had she been wrapped in high explosives as a booby-trap for
unsuspecting tourists like me or lured me into the insurgent's den. Instead
I soon realized my mistake, retraced my steps, and soon found the highway
back to my treacherous non AI hotel.
The scariest moment was when I cracked open a cold beer to mellow me for the
long drive back and about halfway down I ingested some chunks. There's
nothing scarier than finding chunks in your beer. I immediately rolled down
the window and spat them out, but I couldn't get that chunky taste out of my
mouth no matter how much beer I drank.
> On this one it turns out you're right.
I'm always right.
> Nah, its relatively safe, certainly safer than mexico
Mexico is a big country. There are plenty of places within Mexico that are
much safer than Waikiki.
> http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#world
Skewed by border and Mexico City crime. Not a reality in the tourist areas,
all-inclusive or not.
> Turns out Honolulu is the safest city in America in regards to the stat
> I'm
> most concerned about. Homicide. Hawaii as a state is also about as
> *murderous* as Iowa, New Hampshire, and Idaho. Exactly what I figured.
> This
> is highly consistent with my view on Hawaii feeling like a relatively safe
> place Greg. Any rebuttal?
Homicide rates are so low anyway as to be statistically nothing to worry
about. You're much more likely to be victimized by thieves and Hawaii has
one of the highest larceny rates in the U.S. Homicide is very, very, very
unlikely even if you're walking around bad areas of Mexico City late at
night and you wouldn't be doing that. It's practically non-existent in much
of the country.
> Greg, given some of this please explain where, how, I was wrong before.
Compare crime rates of, say, Ixtapa or Manzanillo, versus crime rates in
Honolulu. That's how you were wrong. Generalizing a localized problem to
an entire country.
> what with all the
>> drugs and hookers walking around. You may prefer to expose your family
>> to
>> drugs and hookers instead of the Catholic values of a small picturesque
>> Mexican village. That's fair.
>
> Until this point I was taking you somewhat seriously but its clear you've
> been pulling my leg... For the sake of your argument I'd certainly hope
> thats what you were doing. You can just say yes.... Mexico?
> Prostitution?
> Picturesque? The very many prostitutes there are certainly not
> picturesque,
Very many prostitutes? Where do you hang out in Mexico where you see lots
of prostitutes? I've never seen so many streetwalkers in one place as in
Waikiki Beach on a Friday night. Mexican prostitutes aren't tramping around
the main streets of rural villages, they're segregated into brothels and
strip clubs where you hopefully don't take your children.
Though apparently they've cleaned up their act a bit:
"Prostitutes were once a common sight along Kalakaua and Kuhio avenues until
the state Legislature passed a law in 1998 that allowed judges to impose
so-called geographic restrictions to keep them out of Waikiki from 6 p.m. to
6 a.m."
I don't think I've walked along Kalakaua late at night since 1992.
Still, "while prostitution has decreased in Waikiki, Honolulu police say
they have investigated triple the number of offenses in neighboring District
1. From January to June, police logged 45 prostitution offenses in Waikiki
while handling 137 prostitution offenses in District 1, which primarily
covers the area through downtown Honolulu from Liliha to Punahou streets."
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Aug/31/ln/ln05a.html
> Plenty I'd bet. but its a risk I'll take.... hiking is clearly my drug of
> choice. A landslide or maybe concealed lavatube or whatever can happen in
> certain locations but other than that I'm sure footed enough not to take
> the
> quick elevator down the cliff.
Landslides happen all the time. Hawaii is blessed with some sheer dropoffs
and the trails skirting them are very eroded. I got freaked out hiking out
of the Red Sand Beach in Hana when it started to rain hard.
Didn't a whole bunch of tourists get killed just a few years ago when a big
rock fell on their heads?
"Hikers crushed by boulders at park in Oahu -- HAUULA, Hawaii (AP-Staff) -
Rescuers using heat-seeking cameras and military search dogs failed to find
any more bodies yesterday in tonnes of debris left by a weekend landslide
that killed at least six people and injured dozens of others."
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1P1:21556101&refid=ink_pubnews&skeyword=&teaser=
That was in May of 1999 while I was in Maui on my honeymoon.
I can't believe you subject your family to such a dangerous activity.
> Heh, cycling here is no picnic either and point taken. Risk in everything
> and lots in cycling.
There were more tourists killed hiking on the tiny island of Oahu in May of
1999 then were killed that month in the entire country of Mexico. How's
about that. I guess timing is everything.
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