oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
> miles wrote:
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>>oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
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>>> Yeah, the plumber is employed by his company too. Try not paying
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> him
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>>>for his labor because you didn't like the way he install the
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> disposal.
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>>I've done that. I pay when it gets done right.
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>
> So you paid for the disposal, but didn't pay for the labor to
> install it?
>
Withholding final payment until the job is completed satisfactorily is
normal.
>
>> But you are telling me
>>a tip is a mandatory part of a waiters salary.
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>
> An obligatory yes.
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Nonsense. If it is mandatory then it is stated as a service charge and
paid to the management.
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>>It is NOT.
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>
> actually it is.
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not.
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>>It is my
>>optional gift to them
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>
> Bull. Ask your employer if your paycheck is an optional gift.
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But you are not the employer of the service staff. So your comment is
irrelevant.
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>>if I so desire to reward them. Just because they
>>are dependent on tips does not mean it becomes my obligation to pay
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> tips.
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> It is the tacit agreement made before seating.
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Nope. Paying the stated charge is the agreement. Tips are optional.
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>>> I play lousy golf. I'll never get better if folks just say
>>>"you play lousy". All you're obligated to do is tell the
>>>establishment why you were disastisfied. That's hardly
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> "teaching".
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>>Whoa here. I am not OBLIGATED to do any such thing.
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>
> Yeah, ya are actually. We can discuss what you are legally
> obligated to do, but ethically you are.
>
Nope. Neither ethics nor custom leads to an expectation that you pay a
non obligatory fee for poor service.
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