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Re: Tipping in the US (at a restaurant)? Posted on: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:23:42 +0000 (UTC)


miles wrote:
> oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
>
> > So you paid for the disposal, but didn't pay for the labor to
> > install it?
>
> If its not done right I dont pay at all until it is done right. But
> your case is not the same as that of a waiter. A TIP is not part of
the
> bill. It is a gift I give at my own discretion.

It is not a gift, ask the IRS.

>
> > Bull. Ask your employer if your paycheck is an optional gift.
>
> My employer does not add tips onto my paycheck for me doing work.
Nor
> do they charge customers extra if I did a good job.

Many employers give bonuses and commissions. They are earned,
not gifts.

>
> > It is the tacit agreement made before seating.
>
> No, it is not. Thats where your logic is flawed. A TIP is whatever
a
> customer feels like paying. It is 100% optional.

It is discretionary, which is different than optional.

>
> > Yeah, ya are actually. We can discuss what you are legally
> > obligated to do, but ethically you are.
>
> No I'm not. If I feel like it, I tip. If I don't, I won't. The
> problem is with our culture in thinking that tips are mandatory. It's
a
> gift if I wish to reward for good service.

No, ask the IRS, it is income. It is compensation for services
rendered.