"Just Dickie" wrote in message
news:5GIle.14164$IC6.13466@attbi_s72...
> Rita, you are missing my entire point. The soldiers that are there in Iraq
> or any foreign war are doing exactly what the people on one of the planes
> from 9/11 had done (The one that crashed in a field in PA, USA due to a
> group of brave passengers revolting against their evil oppressors). They
are
> protecting their well-being and right to live as well as the lives and
> well-being of other humans.
>
> Rita, You being a New Yorker, let me ask you a question. If you were given
> the choice to put your life on the line for a chance at saving all of the
> people that perished in the World Trade Center and Pentagon as well as the
> flight over PA that crashed, WOULD YOU DO IT? Well, that's what people
that
> join the military forces here in the good ol' USA make the choice to do
> every day. US military puts their life on the line every day to protect
> fellow Americans as well as people that our elected officials deem
necessary
> to assist.
>
> Basically, if you don't like the way that our country is ran and our
> military is used than you have three choices, 1) vote for and help other
> voters see your views so they too will vote for different legislative and
> executive branches of our US government OR 2) find some other way to shake
> things up enough to make the powers that be take notice so their
respective
> stance will change OR 3) JUST LEAVE... There are plenty of countries to
live
> in that are willing to take on political refugees. None as willing as the
> USA but hey, this place is horrible anyway right.
>
> Rita, I never would've guessed that you, one person, could turn a simple
> question about obtaining a US Passport into a multi-person rant about
yours
> as well as other's anti-Bush/anti-war beliefs. Instead of complaining
about
> the fact that we shouldn't be there, do something about it. Write your
> congressman, coordinate a rally, something, anything besides bad mouthing
> soldiers and the military. If you cared about the soldiers there are other
> ways to help them other than griping that they shouldn't be there, which I
> personally agree with. The fact still stands that we have fellow Americans
> over there and we should support them as individuals as much as possible.
>
> How many care packages have been sent in yours or your families name???
>
>
> Just Dickie
Sorry, but I think Rita IS doing something about it, by raising the issue
for public discussion. One of the truly horrible things that has come out
of the recent election and the rise of right-wing pundits on talk radio is a
belief that, "The Left lost, so they should just shut up." In the US,
political speech is valued more than any other form of speech and is a core
value of the First Amendment. We need to talk about these things.
I applaud Rita for bringing up the issue in a calm and rational way, and
encourage everyone to engage in civil discussion about it. You don't have
to participate in the discussion if you don't want to, but I don't agree
with discouraging those who do.
>
>
> "Rita" wrote in message
> news:6die91hvcbudqbefmgo8ogticjdgrcdmc5@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 27 May 2005 16:01:55 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Doug McDonald wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rita wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I was not debating you, simply stating my opinion.
> >>>> But so long as this war persists, expect that many,
> >>>> many are not happy campers. We don't see the situation
> >>>> as you do -- not even close. And I feel deeply for our
> >>>> troops who are dying by the day, and just as deeply
> >>>> disgusted with the rah rah stuff from those who
> >>>> choose to support this unnecessary adventure in Iraq.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am far more disgusted with people like you who don't worry about the
> >>> 3000 people ALL INNOCENT SAVE 19 OF THEM ... killed on Sept. 11, 2001,
> >>> and worry about how ewe can guarantee, as best we can, that it will
> >>> never happen again. That guarantee cannot be obtained by doing
> >>> nothing, and "diplomacy" is nothing. It can only be done by
> >>> ging to where the source of evil is and rooting it out. That ius
> >>> what we are doing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Remember that every death ... be is an American soldier,
> >>> a contractor abducted and beheaded by ISlamic terrorists,
> >>> one of the terrorists or their sympathizers themselves,
> >>> or an ordinary Afghan or Iraqi caught in the crossfire,
> >>> owes that deathe to the evil forces of Islam and
> >>> islamic fundamentalism. We in the US merely respond to
> >>> the attack on us. Israelis respond to teh attack on them.
> >>> The blame lies in Islam.
> >>>
> >>> Doug McDonald
> >>
> >>
> >>I am also concerned by the deaths of the poor folks lost on Shrub's
> >>magical adventure. An adventure into a place with no history of
> >>involvement in long range terrorism, no involvement in 9/11 (unlike
> >>shrubs buddies in saudi) and a major target of the folks sponsoring
9/11.
> >>
> >>As to the involvement of Islam some are involved and some are not. The
> >>fairly secular folks in Iraq were not. The right wing nuts in Saudi
> >>certainly were. Did the neo cons just get lost or are they
> >>geographically and politically challenged?
> >
> > I am a New Yorker and of course 9/11 was a tragedy. But Iraq
> > didn't cause 9/11, it was Osama Bin Laden who still is loose.
> > Not all Muslims are terrorists and to think that is to fail to
> > zero in on the problem. Had Bush pursued Bin Laden to the ends
> > of the earth, I would have heartily applauded him. He seems to
> > have lost interest because he had the Iraqi adventure in mind
> > all along. There is plenty of evidence that supports this view.
> >
> > I can understand those with loved ones stationed in Iraq having to
> > justify the danger they face there by believing it is a meaningful
> > involvement for the U.S. I think that is the case with this poster.
> > It is hard to face the fact that your loved one is fighting in a
> > pointless war, as was the case with Viet Nam also.
> >>
> >
>
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