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Subject: Re: 17 mile drive by motorbike Posted on: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:38:59 EDT

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:32:42 -0700, "Fletis Humplebacker"
wrote:

>
>"Hatunen"
>> Fletis Humplebacker
>>>Kalifornia Kritter wrote:
>
>>>> The United States of America had their eye on California too, believing
>>>> it was Manifest Destiny that America would spread from the Atlantic to
>>>> the Pacific ocean. After the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ceded half of
>>>> all territory claimed by Mexico, the Yankee lawyers went to work on the
>>>> land titles of all the Spanish and Mexican land grantees. The Mexicans
>>>> and Spaniards thought that their land grant was in perpetuity, a matter
>>>> of respect and tradition and honor that the Yankee lawyers laughed
>>>> at...
>
>>>You have an selective and odd view of history. Are you unaware of how the
>>>Spaniards claimed land from the natives? Or how the natives claimed land
>>>from
>>>other natives? Your history in a bubble approach reeks of self serving
>>>interests. Pretty much what you are criticizing, by the way.
>
>
>> You have a good point. But the history of real estate in
>> California starts with the Spanish claims of all land; the
>> history of land held by the origianl inhabitants is irrelevant to
>> the present situation.
>
>
>You can sweep aside anything you want in your mind but that doesn't
>make it go away. If you want to avoid thinking about how they got
>the land that's up to you.

I'm not trying to sweep anything away, but there's not a whole
lot I can do about it save whine, and unlike you, I see little
reason to do so.

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
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