Tickettyboo wrote:
> In news:1126797903.165156.105600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
> oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com whispered softly in my ear...:
> > Tickettyboo wrote:
> >> In news:1126787446.008504.327660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com,
> >> oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com whispered softly in my ear...:
> >>> Tickettyboo wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>>> First of all, I am not being given a choice..
> >>>
> >>> Someone force you into the restaurant? You should file
> >>> a complaint. We've got laywers who just love this kinda thang.
> >>> They'll even look for other folks and file this thing we
> >>> call a "class action lawsuit". Really jolly thing, for
> >>> the lawyers anyway. Big bucks can be made, for them anywho.
> >>
> >> No, I am not forced into the restaurant, I am just of the opinion
> >> that , having gone in, I should be able to eat/drink, pay for it and
> >> not get involved in the running of the place.
> >
> > Maybe you think you should be allowed to cook it too, so the
> > cook doesn't have to be paid?
>
> You are being silly now,
You are talking about going into a full service restaurant and
somehow skipping the service part, and I'm the one being silly?
> if I wanted to cook I would stay at home
> ..do you send a tip to the cook..or do you expect that the cook is
> paid..because its an intrinsic part of the business..
Actually, in many cases, the cook is either an owner, or is
getting a cut of the nights take.
[snip]
> If a waiter
> brings you a bowl of soup costing a dollar, has his service been any
> less than if he brings you a bowl of caviar costing 30 dollars? I don't
> think so...but in your view he should be rewarded by a lesser amount
If the bowl costs that much, you are assuredly receiving other
services you don't mention that will be significantly different
than if you had a $1 bowl. If nothing else, the server is almost
assuredly attending to fewer people.
> >
> > [snip]
> >> Because if I wanted to get involved with the ins and outs of wages
> >> for staff I would be running my own restaurant. As it is, I am a
> >> customer, out for a relaxing evening, I don't think it makes me a
> >> bad person to want to just relax and not be involved with the pay
> >> structure and standards of the employees :-)
> >
> > I'm sorry figuring out the intricacies of calculating 15% of
> > a single number is so difficult for you. How ever do you
> > choose what to eat. Oh, the humanity, all this mental activity
>
> No need to be rude..I am not stupid, I can calculate..I was giving my
> opinion, that's all. I don't mind at all if you don't agree, but
> resorting to inferring I am somehow incapable does not
> enhance your viewpoint.
It's called hyperbole (okay, maybe combined with a touch of sarcasm).
Exaggeration for the point of emphasis. You somehow want to represent
the act of calculating a tip as some sort of unreasonable, evening
disturbing, chore. I don't mind a differing opinion, I find one
based upon indefensible assertions to be silly. You go to
a restaurant with the tacit understanding that at the end of the
evening you're going to be expected to pick a number between 15 and 20%
and calculate a tip. You want to represent that as:
"get[ting] involved with the ins and outs of wages for staff"
and equating it with running your own restaurant. I'm sorry,
THAT'S silly and doesn't "enhance your viewpoint"
You don't like tipping, I get that. I just haven't seen a
consistent explanation why. You're gonna pay for the service
one way or another. You can pay it directly or indirectly.
It's no great chore to pay it directly and it gives you more
control. Yet this bothers you. The best explanations I see
are the whole "begging for tips" philosophy. My only issue
with that is when you actually speak to folks who work on
this basis, THEY don't have a problem with it. So if they
don't feel like they are, why do you see it that way? They're
just getting paid. You're gonna pay for it one way or another.
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