"Hatunen" wrote in message
news:o0m0j19uiunodq9h8muh2c5d86m3qm0ss6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:34:56 -0700, "khobar"
> wrote:
>
> >"Hatunen" wrote in message
> >news:kai0j1dkr231viqtn7vr3dkgch2q99irk5@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:32:24 GMT, "TOliver"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Pooh Bear" wrote...
> >> >> Morgans wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I hate being abusive, but I'm getting really close.
> >> >>
> >> >> I doubt that NYC is much different to London in many ways.
> >> >>
> >> >> What was your point ? Did you have one ?
> >> >>
> >> >His point was your seeming lack of comprehension of the relative
vastness
> >> >and the scattered and thin population of much of the US. Our cities
> >> >"sprawl" along with the suburbs, public transit is almost unknown in
> >cities
> >> >of less than 100,000, commercial intercity bus service has declined to
> >> >almost railroad type infrequency and few destinations, and all of the
> >"good"
> >> >suggestions you make seem almost laughable in the face of the
realities
> >with
> >> >which most of us live. IIRC, New Mexico, with 1.5 million, is about
the
> >> >size of the Scuppered H'aisles. Texas, with a lot more people, well
> >over
> >> >20,000,000, covers a chunk of Earth surface certainly as large as
Western
> >> >Europe, but has vast "empties" and counties larger than Belgium with
> >> >populations ranging from less than 1,000 to 4-5,000 or so. The
largest
> >> >county, Brewster, has no land line telephone service, but its own
"coop"
> >> >cellular carrier, with every school kid having his/her own telephone
> >provide
> >> >free (along with a few minutes of free time to call home for
> >emergencies).
> >> >Towers were much cheaper than new hard wiring. In that part of the
> >state,
> >> >school bus rides of more than 50 miles each way are common.
> >>
> >> He didn't say any of that. He said London and NY were probably
> >> comparable as to transit. I took him to mean the city of New
> >> York, not the entire state, and having been to both London and NY
> >> the city, they are indeed roughly comparable with respect to
> >> transit.
> >>
> >> By the bye, it usually doesn't matter much, but there is no New
> >> York City; it is the city of New York, which makes the use of
> >> "New York" somewhat embiguous unless the context is clear. Since
> >> he was talking transit, the context was clear at least to me.
> >>
> >> Similarly, there is no Quebec City and there is no Mexico City.
> >
> >Why, then, is it the New York City Department of Education?
> >http://www.opt-osfns.org/opt/
> >
> >And what about the official New York City web site?
> >http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/portal/index.jsp?front_door=true
>
> I see a lot of usage of "NYC", which is a common shorthand for
> the city, but at a glance I don't see any use of "New York City".
> I didn't look that hard, though.
For some reason the NYC city welcome is not very bold, but at the top of the
page it says "Welcome to the official New York City Web site."
>
> There's a lot of confusion about it, even at state and municipal
> level, but N.Y., N.Y. is the correct moniker, not N.Y.C., N.Y.
> But the US Post ofice calls it "New York, NY"
Ah, I see what you're saying. Interesting point.
>
> >And if there is no Mexico City, what is its proper name?
>
> "Mexico". Or more fully, "Mexico, D.F."
As they say, one learns something new every day.
>
> >I'm not up on naming conventions so I'm asking.
>
> There are cities that have "City" in their name. For instance,
> the city of Oklahoma City. It is OKC, OK, or postally "Oklahoma
> City, OK".
Yup, since you pointed out that New York City is N.Y.
Food for thought (maybe): Webster gives the following for New York:
One entry found for New York.
Main Entry: New York
Usage: geographical name
1 state NE U.S. capital Albany area 49,576 square miles (121,898 square
kilometers), population 17,990,456
2 or New York City city & port SE New York at mouth of Hudson River;
includes boroughs of Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, & Staten Island
population 7,322,564
3 the borough of Manhattan in New York City
- New Yorkˇer /'yor-k&r/ noun
But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City opens with "New York City
(officially named the City of New York)..."
I'm still curious why official government websites refer to New York City if
the city is officially City of New York.
Thanks for the info.
Paul Nixon
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