The original question was about maintaining a healthful diet while on
The Road. It is to that that I responded with my opinion of what a
healthful and nutritious diet is, on The Road or at home. I will not,
because I cannot, discuss the details of a healthful and nutritious
diet. What I said works for me and I presume would for most people. You
are welcome to display your expertise in the field, if indeed you have
it, but not at the expense of my ignorance.
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Dusty wrote:
> "Icono Clast" wrote in message
>>> I'll agree with the bread, pastries, & soda's. What's wrong with
>>> "fried foods" and "cured meats?"
>>
>> I said "avoid", not "don't eat", them. They're unhealthful.
>
> I read that you said "avoid", and we could probably discuss the
> veracity of "cured meats" to a draw. But what's not correct is that
> somehow fried foods are unhealthful. While this is taken to be
> "common knowledge" by many, there's no study by any health researcher
> on the planet that can confirm that assertion. While you will find
> unlimited _opinions_ that this is so, you'll find no research to
> confirm those opinions. Always on the lookout for new information, I
> was just hoping and wondering if you had found any real, factual data
> to the contrary...
>
>>>> Have at least one vegetarian day a week
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> It's good for you. Or: Why not?
>
> We're omnivores. Having a "vegetarian day", while certainly not bad
> for you, isn't useful. All it means is that you're going without some
> necessary nutrients for a day.
>
>>>> Have cereal for breakfast every other day
>>>
>>> Nope. There's nothing in cereal & what goes on it except carbs.
>>> For
>
>> We disagree on the cereals.
>
> Disagree how? That there are useful nutrients in cereals? If so,
> please be so kind as to point them out. There's nothing in them
> except carbohydrates (and yes, a few trace nutrients), more if you
> put sweeteners and milk on them. All they can possibly do is initiate
> a GL swing that will leave you ravenously hungry in a few
> hours...just in time for lunch...(:-o)!
>
>>>> Have at least one glass of milk every day
>>>
>>> Why? No other animal on the planet drinks the milk of another.
>>> What's in it that's so wonderful that you'd stoop to doing
>>> that...(:-o)!
>>
>> Calcium, vitamin D, protein, and other nutrients. It's good stuff.
>
> Nothing you can't get, better, from other sources. Water's better for
> you. And, FWIW; homogenized milk is the worst! Drinking it is the
> only way I've ever heard of to get raw, unprocessed (by the digestive
> process) fats directly into the blood stream. I can go into the
> dreary details of how that works if anyone is interested.
>
>>>> Have at least one cup of green tea a day
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Same reason as red wine that I forgot to mention.
>
> Well, green tea ain't bad for you...neither is wine...to a degree. I
> was just curious what your motivation was. It's kinda like being or
> eating as a vegan. Unless you're doing it for some religious kind of
> stupidity, there's no useful purpose to it. If it's simply for the
> enjoyment and some trace anti-oxidants, either is a fine thing to
> do... (BTW; I do both...(:-o)!)
>
>>>> Street food is among the best you'll find wherever you go
>>>
>>> Perhaps... But maybe I've been to places that weren't as good as
>>> the ones you've seen...(:-o).
>>
>> It's particularly good in poor/Third World countries.
>
> That's what I meant. Like you, I do enjoy the "street food", besides
> being fun and interesting to eat, it also gives you an opportunity to
> "bond" with and learn about the locals. It's just that I've been to
> some places where you take your life in your hands eating
> there...(:-o)! Case in point; in a small market just outside of
> Tripoli, a vendor was trying to get me to buy a chunk of what looked
> like some sort of velvet coated meat hanging further back in the shop
> (it looked like some kind of herb-encrusted, smoked, meat). When I
> agreed to it, he shooed away a layer of flies (the "velvet" that I
> saw) and whacked off a chunk of bloody camel for me... I ended up
> passing on that...(:-o)!
>
> I didn't speak as much Arabic then as I did later. And our combined
> pidgin Arabic and hand-waving didn't convey the details of the deal
> very accurately. Which is sometimes part of the fun...(:-o)!
>
>> One gets nutritionally adequate quantities of salt in a normal
>> diet. I
>
> Not entirely true...depends on your diet, level of activity, and
> environment (living in Arizona as opposed to 'Minnysoda'). For sure
> many Americans get too much. But there's no easy way to gauge just
> how much you are getting as opposed to how much you need. The body,
> through the kidneys, will reject the excess, but it has no way of
> making up a lack thereof.
>
> "Reduce your salt intake!" Is another one of those commonly heard
> things from doctors (and the public at large) that has NO basis in
> any kinds of studies regarding that assertion. Increasingly folks,
> being attendant to that, are now being told by their doctors to
> increase their salt intake. Happened to my mom and a friend of hers
> last year.
>
>> rarely eat high salt products and equally rarely sprinkle salt on
>> food either while cooking or eating. Often, when dancing, my
>> clothes get soaked with sweat.
>
> While I believe you, you (nor I nor anyone else) can tell how much
> salt they need as opposed to how much did they get. Take care my
> friend. Screwing up your body's salt level will affect your body's
> ability to maintain proper >ph levels as well as your potassium
> levels...and that's what keeps your "ticker" tickin'...
>
>>>> Keep high protein snacks, such as soy nuts (unsalted), in your
>>>> vehicle;
>>>
>>> No. There's nothing useful for you in a "soy nut". Stick to
>>> Almonds, Pecans, or Walnuts.
>>
>> We disagree.
>
> It's fine that we disagree, but on what basis? Nutritionally there's
> little in a soy nut to recommend it. It's especially bad if you're a
> woman, because it has substances in it that mimic estrogens and have
> been found to exacerbate a variety of female maladies. And as a male,
> I can't think of a reason that estrogen work-alike materials are
> necessary--if not bordering on unhealthful. My guess is that you
> heard that they were some wonderful "cure-all" for things somewhere
> in the past, and that seemed to make sense. It's not true. There are
> no miracle substances in 'em, and there's no good reason to eat 'em.
> If you were starving, sure! Have at 'em. But for most of us there are
> better alternatives...I have listed some...
>
>> But even good genes can be overcome, AK, with improper nutrition,
>> no?
>
> An excellent and most salient point. We can see the results of that
> kind "nutrition" overcoming our otherwise excellently functioning
> body's around us every day. More and more of our people; blindly,
> with near religious zealotry; are following all of the "common
> knowledge" they're getting...and they just keep on getting more and
> more obese. And that, my friend, *_IS_* the heart of the problem!
>
> For decades now we've heard "experts" decry fats in the diet. That's
> been a lie! There is no connection between ingesting fats & oils and
> the levels of serum cholesterol (yes, there are ancillary
> connections, but they are marginal at best). By a wide margin (~70%),
> the cholesterol in our blood stream is manufactured by our liver.
> And it makes that from it's favorite "fuel"; glucose (a simple,
> chemical form of sugar).
>
> For decades folks have been pushing that idiotic "food pyramid"
> concept. Eat lots of grains we were told. Most folks have embraced
> that idea. Look around you at both folks you know and strangers. On
> average, have you noticed anybody getting thinner? Nearly everyone
> around you has only gotten fatter. Why? The reasons are manifold.
>
> Here's a few short, simple facts. You (not "you" personally, "Icono
> Clast", I mean the readership et. al.) can choose to learn or you can
> ignore, your call. * The _ONLY_ component of what you eat that can be
> turned into "body fat" is glucose. You can ingest it directly (for
> instance, a candy bar) or your liver will manufacture it for you by
> breaking down more complex carbohydrates--the only material that it
> can use for that purpose. Glucose _CAN_ONLY_ be used by the body for
> motility. That's motion. Movement. And if you don't use that glucose
> (through exercise), the body will, under the influence of your
> insulin, store that molecule of glucose in an adipose fat cell.
>
> * Body fat _CAN_NOT_ be made from eating any amount of fats or oils.
> The fats, oils, and proteins you eat _CAN_ONLY_ be used for cell
> building and repair.
>
> * The body _CAN_ make glucose (for motility) from dietary fats &
> oils, it _CAN_NOT_ make necessary dietary fats, oils, and proteins
> (for cell building & repair) from glucose.
>
> * Salt is a critically important mineral in the human diet. While
> folks often talk about that we're eating too much salt, there's _NO_
> definitive study that's ever "discovered" that bit of nonsense. There
> is not even any substantive study that shows that it has any effect
> on either blood-pressure or edema. But there are plenty of studies
> that show it's effect on your vital chemical balances that keep your
> heart beating; kidneys functioning, and blood Ph under control.
>
> * Body fat is not necessarily bad. Certainly too much isn't good
> either. Not to mention, in the right places on the ladies,
> it's...well...really, really nice! Your body does need some for
> cushioning, insulation, and as a long term store for energy. What's
> becoming more interesting these days is that the medical community is
> finally coming around to figuring that out. Long before too much body
> fat becomes an increased health risk, it will have made a serious
> impact on your joints and ligaments. If you put your mind to it (or
> events beyond your ability to control them dictate so) you can loose
> that fat. But you will most likely never recover the proper
> functioning of the joints and other body parts that were affected by
> carrying that excess weight.
>
> Hey, look, I'm not a doctor; and I don't play one on TV either. You
> shouldn't believe a syllable of what I've said above. But you SHOULD
> at least check it out on your own.
>
> FWIW; I was somebody that builds and programs (mostly programs)
> medical diagnostic equipment. And to that end I've done lots and lots
> of research. The simplistic encapsulation I posted above isn't
> complete nor is it 100% accurate. But it's gonna be pretty damn
> close! We can discuss any of the finer details if you wish, off-line.
>
>
> And finally, if you have knowledge to that's contrary to anything
> that I've written above, *please* let me know. I'll change my
> assertions in a heartbeat if they can be shown to be substantively
> wrong. NB: Someone's opinion, website, paper, or religious
> convictions is NOT a substitute for facts. I don't care what somebody
> thinks, believes, or asserts. Absent a factual study, those positions
> are on par with a SWAG; and don't amount to much.
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