J. Clarke wrote:
> DaveM wrote:
>> Black coffee, perhaps.
>
> Which until Starbucks and their profusion of coffee-flavored
> milkshakes was how it was nomrally served.
In America.
I rarely drink "coffee" in the US, it's like the water you clean out the
coffee machine with. Their Espresso is invariably burned and bitter. I
make my own in the morning, in a plunger. A plastic one (with glass flask)
so I can boil the water in the microwave, as in the US electric kettles to
boil water are rare.
McDonalds coffee is vile, but I've had worse: Carls Jr. It was like hot
water with a spoonful of vegemite (or Bonox) dissolved in it. Even though
Starbucks is evil etc etc, it's the nearest thing to coffee you can get in
the US. But it's still bloody awful.
>> With milk it gets cooled sufficiently, unless
>> you're using dried milk or reheating the coffee to keep the
>> temperature high. And that's not good - even though I'm primarily a
>> tea drinker, even I can taste the damage reheating does to coffee.
>
> And McD usually provides milk to those who want it. In fact that is
> how the Stupid Old Bat got burned, she took the lid off the cup to
> pour in the milk.
>
>>> The extraction process requires that the water be at approximately
>>> 200 degrees during extraction and the only way to serve the coffee
>>> cooler than that is to let it sit for a long period of time, which
>>> has an adverse effect on flavor, or to add cool water
>>> post-extraction and _neither_ of these is a normal part of coffee
>>> preparation.
>>>
>>> Try it yourself--get a one-cup coffee filter and put coffee in it
>>> and pour water through it at 150 degrees or whatever temperature you
>>> think is appropriate for the preparation of coffee and see what you
>>> get.
>>
>> I've filtered a lot of coffee in my time. I've never measured the
>> temperature,
>
> Try it sometime. Try it at the 150F that the know-it-alls are saying
> is the correct temperature.
>
>> but once the milk's in it's easy to drink. I've had a
>> burnt mouth at least once at McDonalds, though.
>
> Then you need to learn to be more careful, because their coffee is no
> hotter than what comes out of a filter cone into which 200 degree
> water has been poured.
>
> By the way, coffee aficionados seldom add milk unless the coffee is
> _real_ bad.
>
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