Les Cargill wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Les Cargill wrote
>>> Geoff Miller wrote
>>>> sechumlib writes
>>>> Your hostility toward Christianity is apparent for all to see.
>>> Simply stated, there is an emerging brand of Christianity which is
>>> increasingly hostile to reason. Motes and beams, and all that.
>>>> I have to ask why your attitude is so common among liberals, even as liberals castigate as
>>>> bigots, painters with too broad a brush, anyone who admits to fearing Islam.
>>> They have succumbed to the fallacy of the false alternative. I wonder where they got the idea?
>>> We have two datasets about Islam.
>> There's a hell of a lot more than two.
>>> One is the media campaign to vilify them, in the service of a constituency in the U.S. , and
>>> another is the interrupted
>>> historical trend towards moderation within Islamic domains.
>> That last is distinctly arguable. There has been a distinct trend toward rabid fanatisism in the
>> last century or so amoungst some of them.
> We have a whole lot of bias to take out of sources. What if the rabid fanatics are simply louder?
It aint just about what they shout, its also about what they actually do too.
Yes, just like with any group of rabid fanatics, they are always a tiny minority.
There just arent enough actually stupid enough to
blow themselves to bits for the cause for example.
Even with much more mundane events like the Mutiny in India for example.
>>> So those practiced in the art of spin can choose any points they
>>> need to make a seperate point, to acheive whatever agenda.
>>>> You're doing exactly the same thing here:
>>>> attacking an entire, major religion on the basis of your dislike of a handful of its adherents.
>>>> You're a bigot, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?
>>> Geoff, when I was a child, people could be both Reasonable, and Christians.
>> Plenty of them still are.
> Where?
Even in America.
>>> The adaptation of sensationalist media tactics, up to an including out-and-out propaganda, have
>>> rendered the
>>> carefully wrought ( but fragile ) bases of major religions
>>> as an out-group thing in the service of extremist ... *marketing* of a more-entertaining
>>> version.
>> Really only in america much.
> I am beginning to see the same thing export itself.
You dont see much of the worse of rabid fanaticism
by christians outside america much anymore.
There used to be a lot more of that in the past in western europe for example.
Its certainly true that there has been quite a bit of export of 'evangelist'
god botherers and the worst of the rabid american 'christians'
>>> I mean, look at *this* rot:
>>> http://www.gutschurch.com/
>>> How can anyone take this seriously? It's EXTREEEME! Xtianity. I am very sure Aimee Semple
>>> MacPherson would be ecstatic.
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