Gunner Asch wrote:
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> >First of all, I would disagree that Canadian gun laws are draconian. We cannot
> >carry handguns around, but we can own them and transport them to shooting ranges.
>
> So you can own snubby belly guns without jumping through a myrid of
> regulations that most Canadians cant pass?
A prohibition on a snub nose gun is hardly draconian. They are designed to be
concealed, and we don't do the concealed gun thing here. It keeps the homicide rate
down.
> >Most people are happy about that. The vast difference in murder rates between the
> >Canadian and American murder rates is pretty much reflected by the number of
> >handgun murders in the US, and that sort of blows the argument about self defence
> >all to pieces.
>
> Actually, that statement could not be further from the truth.
But you cannot elaborate.... because it is.
>
> >Clearly, law abiding citizens do not need to carry a handgun for
> >defence.
>
> That statement....is ....breathtaking in its ignorance and scope.
The key word is need. If our murder rate was as high as that in the US maybe people
would be convinced that it is. I suppose that if you live in a country where every
jackass punk is carrying a gun you you might feel more of a need. Once again..... look
at the competitive murder rate and see which one has fewer murders and therefore less
need for self defence.
>
>
> > If we really needed them for self defence, our different murder rates
> >would likely be reversed.
>
> How so? Are you claiming that no violent assaults, .s and murders
> occur in Canada?
I already posted the stats on murders and violent assaults. . is a hard one to
compare due to different categories of .ual assault and the larger issue of
reporting.
>
>
> Im curious. Since handguns are the only impliment by which a murder
> can be committed...right?
If you want to argue that, go ahead. I never said it. I merely pointed out the number
of firearms fatalities. The last time I checked the breakdown, the huge difference was
pretty well accounted for for by handgun killings.
> And handguns are utterly Restricted in
> Canada, why do you have any murders at all? All those knife murders
> and beating with blunt instrument, .s and assaults ending with a
> homicide and so forth, simply didnt occur and your government is lying
> to you?
It is extremely rare for a murder to be committed with a legally registered handgun
here. I don't think that anyone has suggested that murders would never happen if there
were handguns, only that having a lot of people carrying handguns tends to result in a
much higher homicide rate, much higher. And that is why I reject the idea that having a
bunch of people carrying handguns would reduce the murder rate. The US murder rate is
three times more than Canada's, not less. Obviously, it doesn't work. It might make
people with self image problems feel like more of a man, but it doesn't work in real
life.
>
> Now Im curious..how about the rates of murder with other weapons
> besides firearms. Are they rising or falling?
Are you curious enough to do a little research. After all, you claimed that after some
allegedly draconian gun laws were passed that crime rates went up.
> Is your firearms homicide rate also rising or falling.
Falling.
>
>
> Ill be waiting on the answer to that one...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Its not the firearms as every legitimate gun control study has shown,
> >> but the culture.
> >
> >There does indeed appear to be a cultural difference, our laws reflect the common
> >attitude that people are more important that property. You can't shoot someone
> >running off with your property, and you shouldn't arm yourself and go looking for
> >trouble.
> >
>
> Interesting world view you have there. So the sole reason people
> shoot others is to protect property?
>
> Does this hold true with your police as well?
Canadian police rarely shoot people.
>
>
> And are you claiming that all Canadians who carry a gun, for whatever
> reason, are carrying a firearm so they can go out and kill someone?
>
> Cops too?
>
> Now Im curious, since the US has enacted Shall Issue licenses for the
> carrying of concealed weapons in 45 states, and their homicide rate is
> far far lower than that of the police or any other group, does this
> show you are A. Lying, or B, simply ignorant?
>
> Ill be waiting for the answer to that one with Great interest.
Lying about what? If you want to make a stupid argument go ahead and knock you brains
out. Crime states vary from state to state and province to province. However, you
were the one who made a sweeping generalization about some alleged draconian gun laws
and rising crime. Care to tell me more about the fine line between ignorance and
lying?
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